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Did you know that "mellon" in Greek means FUTURE? (No Text) <elf_wannabee> [7/31 @ 22:24] (1/1)

interesting... <hills> [8/1 @ 17:41] (0/0)

How far was Tolkien informed by druid culture? <Liath> [7/31 @ 11:11] (5/27)

Wow - and I thought 'A' level English was difficult... (No Text) <Greenwood Hobbit> [8/2 @ 17:06] (0/0)
Well, I was more thinking of Frodo's inner journey <Liath> [8/2 @ 14:18] (0/0)
faith <Goldilocks Took> [8/1 @ 0:48] (1/1)

Water, renewal <Liath> [8/3 @ 19:59] (0/0)

I've believed there is a druidic connection for a long while <hatster> [7/31 @ 16:16] (1/7)

Oooo. Ursula Le Guin! thanks. (No Text) <Ascarwen> [7/31 @ 18:59] (2/6)

Now you made me go and google. OK... should I <hatster> [8/1 @ 8:02] (2/4)

She's great, <Arevanye> [8/1 @ 10:06] (1/2)

Don't get me wrong, <Curious> [8/1 @ 13:01] (1/1)

A snippet from a LeGuin interview <Arevanye> [8/1 @ 13:27] (0/0)

Yes! At least <Curious> [8/1 @ 9:01] (0/0)

I guess you'll be watching the SciFi miniseries <Orald> [7/31 @ 21:39] (0/0)

not that I know of... <hills> [7/31 @ 12:33] (1/14)

I thought almost nothing is known about the druids. (No Text) <Golfimbul> [7/31 @ 15:11] (1/13)

I believe Most of what is known <Hengist> [7/31 @ 18:46] (2/12)

Not to confuse written accounts with myth : ~ <Liath> [8/2 @ 14:39] (0/0)
what about Ceasar's Gallic Wars? or was that <hatster> [8/1 @ 11:35] (2/10)

yes, but as I suggested..that certainly isn't nothing <hatster> [8/1 @ 22:39] (1/1)

If it helps <Liath> [8/3 @ 18:39] (0/0)

But.... <beren_boy> [8/1 @ 17:31] (1/7)

Precisely. The authenticity of written record <Greenwood Hobbit> [8/2 @ 17:11] (1/6)

But when it is all we have we learn to read it <hatster> [8/2 @ 18:44] (1/5)

Perhaps <beren_boy> [8/2 @ 19:08] (1/4)

but what "modern" druids practice IS the Romaniticized <hatster> [8/2 @ 20:41] (1/3)

So... <beren_boy> [8/3 @ 7:56] (1/2)

Honestly, archeologists! <Liath> [8/3 @ 18:56] (1/1)

But <beren_boy> [8/3 @ 19:55] (0/0)

NDQ: The Beginning of Days (& on to next week) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/31 @ 8:14] (2/6)

Multiple choice names <Arevanye> [7/31 @ 15:34] (2/3)

Kennings, anyone? Nordic knowledge needed here! <Lúthien_Rising> [8/2 @ 8:46] (0/0)
I was one of the confused! Thanks for the enlightenment . (No Text) <Lothiriel Adaneth> [7/31 @ 16:24] (1/1)

Well, I'm not saying <Arevanye> [7/31 @ 16:53] (0/0)

For starters, what is BoLT? (No Text) <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/31 @ 10:58] (1/1)

The Book of Lost Tales <Menelwyn> [7/31 @ 11:01] (0/0)

Ireland <MWStrider> [7/31 @ 1:48] (11/20)

Swept away on a white horse <Liath> [8/3 @ 18:15] (0/0)
Curious posted a link to a gridded map of ME... <an seileachan> [8/1 @ 17:51] (1/1)

pssst a.s.... <Arevanye> [8/1 @ 17:53] (0/0)

I don't think so. <N.E. Brigand> [8/1 @ 17:48] (0/0)
I've recently been reading... <beren_boy> [8/1 @ 17:20] (1/4)

Great summary! <Liath> [8/3 @ 17:51] (1/3)

Hmmm.... <beren_boy> [8/3 @ 19:53] (1/2)

Tolkien on the Egyptian similarity: <Kimi> [8/3 @ 20:29] (1/1)

Ah.... <beren_boy> [8/4 @ 8:43] (0/0)

so could Canada <Karmul> [8/1 @ 12:35] (0/0)
Tolkien was fond of Ireland <Kimi> [8/1 @ 3:22] (0/0)
Thank-you for pointing this out. <Black Cat in Bree> [8/1 @ 1:27] (0/0)
Many of the legends <Hengist> [7/31 @ 18:54] (1/1)

Going into the West is part of various mythologies. <Baggins Babe> [8/1 @ 8:23] (0/0)

not Ireland, but the "Blessed Realm" <an seileachan> [7/31 @ 12:36] (0/0)
I doubt Tolkien had that sort of view on Ireland <Gerontius> [7/31 @ 9:44] (3/3)

Tolkien on Ireland - let's just say he wasn't 'crazy' about the culture. <Liath> [8/3 @ 18:06] (0/0)
Tolkien, Ireland and the Great Famine. <Ceorl> [8/1 @ 12:51] (0/0)
Eire <little prince> [7/31 @ 14:12] (0/0)

Well, all in all, since Ireland <NZ Strider> [7/31 @ 6:15] (0/0)

Faramir's/Eowen's hair <Eldalindo> [7/30 @ 14:37] (2/5)

raven hair <PhantomS> [7/31 @ 6:00] (0/0)
Where does it say Faramir has blonde hair? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/30 @ 14:44] (1/3)

Window on the West <an seileachan> [7/30 @ 18:20] (2/2)

When Boromir dies... <Smokering> [8/1 @ 18:38] (0/0)
I'm more upset that they didn't kiss. :) (No Text) <Golfimbul> [7/31 @ 1:18] (0/0)

Smith of Wootton Major: Allegory of the Artist Revisited <drogo_drogo> [7/30 @ 7:39] (3/12)

I imagine that I am one of those <NZ Strider> [7/31 @ 4:58] (2/3)

Nicely said <Altaira> [8/2 @ 0:24] (0/0)
I agree that it is a beautiful tale. <Curious> [7/31 @ 7:08] (1/1)

It has less pages... <beren_boy> [8/1 @ 16:36] (0/0)

I disagree with a few things here. <Curious> [7/30 @ 14:27] (2/6)

I'm not sure Tolkien disliked all allegory, <Entmaiden> [7/30 @ 17:16] (1/1)

Well, that's just the problem <Curious> [7/30 @ 17:25] (0/0)

A few? :-) You're a ball bouncer I take it... <drogo_drogo> [7/30 @ 15:32] (1/3)

No, I like a close reading. <Curious> [7/30 @ 15:38] (1/2)

So the ball doesn't have a lot of bounce then <drogo_drogo> [7/30 @ 15:44] (1/1)

No, <Curious> [7/30 @ 16:46] (0/0)

Arrgh, try this link instead of one in message (No Text - Link Inside) <drogo_drogo> [7/30 @ 7:44] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 22. <Curious> [7/30 @ 2:38] (7/47)

implies the world dies <Karmul> [8/1 @ 10:14] (1/2)

flooding! <Entwife Wandlimb> [8/1 @ 12:11] (1/1)

Somewhere in the Sil if memory serves <Karmul> [8/1 @ 12:56] (0/0)

Perhaps death was Eru's little practical joke.. :) (No Text) <Kirk_> [8/1 @ 9:14] (0/0)
Human Mortality <Lotheriel> [7/31 @ 21:13] (1/1)

As the essay an seileachan cites <Curious> [8/1 @ 8:53] (0/0)

Tolkien's explanation for his view of death as a gift <an seileachan> [7/31 @ 15:28] (2/5)

Nice rationalization by Tolkien, <Curious> [8/1 @ 8:41] (1/2)

Why stop there <Altaira> [8/2 @ 0:03] (1/1)

Tolkien's rationalization <Curious> [8/2 @ 1:34] (0/0)

Arda was no Eden <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/31 @ 15:56] (1/1)

Not the 1958 version. <Curious> [8/1 @ 8:31] (0/0)

Why does he mention Melkor ? <little prince> [7/31 @ 14:46] (0/0)
Death as a gift is a radical departure <Curious> [7/31 @ 7:36] (5/23)

Let me repeat what I said below... <aragonvaar> [8/3 @ 11:35] (1/2)

can you cite? <an seileachan> [8/3 @ 18:49] (1/1)

Go to Heaven, with body, without dying... <aragonvaar> [8/3 @ 18:58] (0/0)

maybe not so radical <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/31 @ 11:43] (1/1)

See my reply below. (No Text) <Curious> [7/31 @ 12:02] (0/0)

modern catholic thought <FantasyFan> [7/31 @ 11:14] (3/12)

not an individual's death, but the loss of immortality <an seileachan> [7/31 @ 12:09] (0/0)
Everything is different after Christ. <Curious> [7/31 @ 12:01] (1/2)

yes, but man is not created in Eden <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/31 @ 12:21] (1/1)

It depends <Curious> [7/31 @ 13:50] (0/0)

interesting! <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/31 @ 11:44] (1/7)

now I have to take it all back <FantasyFan> [7/31 @ 12:07] (3/6)

I've read a great many books from the VaticanII era.... <aragonvaar> [8/3 @ 11:27] (1/2)

I have a foot on both sides of Vatican Two <an seileachan> [8/3 @ 14:19] (1/1)

Actually, in Morgoth's Ring... <aragonvaar> [8/3 @ 18:49] (0/0)

Yes, very interesting indeed! <Curious> [8/1 @ 9:00] (0/0)
FF, this is wonderful! <Kimi> [8/1 @ 2:49] (1/1)

LOL Mom's used to being asked <FantasyFan> [8/1 @ 19:39] (0/0)

Captain Obvious, reporting for duty. <ringers reprise> [7/31 @ 9:03] (0/0)
yes it is, see my answer below :-) <an seileachan> [7/31 @ 7:53] (1/3)

But is this unique to Tolkien? <ringers reprise> [7/31 @ 8:48] (1/2)

you give me too much credit, lol <an seileachan> [7/31 @ 9:12] (1/1)

For what it's worth <Arevanye> [7/31 @ 9:52] (0/0)

This is my consolidated thread; Curious, if you delete your post on the other thread, I can delete mine <Beren IV> [7/30 @ 3:57] (5/9)

Natural selection <little prince> [7/31 @ 14:42] (0/0)
I don't think a million years <Curious> [7/31 @ 7:47] (0/0)
letter 153 again <an seileachan> [7/30 @ 19:10] (0/0)
elvish lifespan and souls <lucia> [7/30 @ 15:27] (2/4)

Tolkien on Elvish reincarnation, coming right up! <squire > [8/1 @ 1:03] (1/1)

Thanks! (No Text) <Beren IV> [8/2 @ 1:13] (0/0)

There is more information on reincarnation <squire > [7/30 @ 16:50] (1/1)

I'm interested. <lucia> [7/31 @ 19:41] (0/0)

Just so you know, <Curious> [7/30 @ 6:26] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 21. <Curious> [7/30 @ 2:31] (6/19)

Again I come back to Gollum, <Curious> [7/31 @ 7:28] (1/1)

Individual versus collective grief <Lotheriel> [7/31 @ 21:28] (0/0)

I think this is about Power - not "good" and "bad" <CelebornsMirror> [7/30 @ 11:25] (0/0)
So put on your Iluvatar hats... what is his plan? <drogo_drogo> [7/30 @ 10:32] (3/6)

sounds good, and I will add <Menelwyn> [7/30 @ 17:43] (1/2)

That does get into the role of Men <drogo_drogo> [7/30 @ 18:21] (1/1)

thanks for the quote <Menelwyn> [7/30 @ 19:37] (0/0)

makes sense to me <lucia> [7/30 @ 15:39] (0/0)
Roll up! Roll up! Come see the World-in-a-box! Tension! Strife! Drama! Ten cents a viewing! <Pukel-man> [7/30 @ 12:31] (1/1)

Hmmm... It's certainly one way of taking <NZ Strider> [7/31 @ 5:20] (0/0)

"although he has ever feared...them" <an seileachan> [7/30 @ 10:30] (1/4)

I've been wondering that as well <Arevanye> [7/30 @ 20:08] (2/3)

Fear of the Unknown <Lotheriel> [7/31 @ 21:32] (0/0)
what comes to my mind is <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/31 @ 12:02] (1/1)

interesting allusion! <an seileachan> [7/31 @ 12:21] (0/0)

That seems a mean thing to say <Kimi> [7/30 @ 5:12] (1/1)

Elvish bias, man's special position <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/31 @ 11:58] (0/0)

Interesting correlary... <Beren IV> [7/30 @ 3:13] (1/1)

Cultural goodness - not intrinsic! ;-) <Penthe> [7/31 @ 21:49] (0/0)

**Roll call for August discussion leaders <Altaira> [7/30 @ 0:55] (4/5)

Chiming in <Inferno> [8/3 @ 0:39] (0/0)
Ready, willing, and <nerdanel_50> [8/3 @ 0:07] (1/1)

*whew* Thanks, nerdanel :-) (No Text) <Altaira> [8/3 @ 0:14] (0/0)

*crickets chirp* (No Text) <Curious> [8/2 @ 12:03] (0/0)
Gosh, Altaira, that was quick! (No Text) <Penthe> [7/30 @ 1:10] (0/0)

How big is Middle Earth? <ElevenZies> [7/29 @ 22:47] (7/10)

Here you go: (No Text - Link Inside) <Curious> [7/31 @ 7:18] (2/2)

Thanks for that link! (No Text) <Taedius> [8/1 @ 11:19] (0/0)
Thanks (No Text) <Taedius> [8/1 @ 11:18] (0/0)

Sinde 3rd Age ME *is* Earth <Arathorn> [7/30 @ 13:45] (0/0)
Perhaps Middle Earth is about the size of Europe <Morwilwarin> [7/30 @ 13:34] (0/0)
But what is the size of Arda? <hartk> [7/30 @ 11:32] (1/1)

Some nitpicking.. ;) <Kirk_> [7/31 @ 6:09] (0/0)

Don't forget.... <Ceorl> [7/30 @ 3:37] (0/0)
Roughly the size of Europe... (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/30 @ 1:06] (0/0)
There is a legend with a scale in miles on the standard map in the book. (No Text) <NZ Strider> [7/29 @ 23:15] (0/0)

Out for a bit: How to respond? <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 20:44] (2/4)

I suggest composing your thoughts <Curious> [7/31 @ 7:14] (0/0)
Would you like a collection <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 21:00] (1/2)

Yes, thanls; that would be nice! <Beren IV> [7/30 @ 2:27] (1/1)

Will do <Lúthien_Rising> [7/30 @ 8:39] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 20. <Curious> [7/29 @ 17:58] (8/27)

Jazz music in the orchestra? <Curious> [7/31 @ 7:01] (0/0)
Looking at a big can of worms <Arathorn> [7/30 @ 13:50] (0/0)
Explanation of Man's restless nature <CelebornsMirror> [7/30 @ 13:05] (0/0)
Letter 153 <an seileachan> [7/30 @ 7:25] (1/2)

I wish Tolkien had stuck to his guns. <Curious> [7/31 @ 6:48] (1/1)

reexamining his legendarium, or <an seileachan> [7/31 @ 7:26] (0/0)

mortality, self-determination, and the search for knowledge <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 20:57] (2/3)

Amoebas? (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/30 @ 1:50] (1/1)

or whatever those essentially eternal little critters are (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/30 @ 8:47] (0/0)

mourning <Penthe> [7/29 @ 21:21] (0/0)

lost in translation <an seileachan> [7/29 @ 20:47] (1/1)

my best guess <lucia> [7/29 @ 22:53] (0/0)

geeky thoughts on human fate and predistination <lucia> [7/29 @ 20:04] (3/13)

applause! <Arevanye> [7/31 @ 20:03] (0/0)
Two notes: <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 20:43] (1/7)

agreed with a nitpick <lucia> [7/29 @ 22:48] (1/6)

I don't think that the Edain are Human... <Beren IV> [7/30 @ 1:00] (2/5)

The Edain. <Ceorl> [7/30 @ 5:55] (1/1)

crafts glyph of syullf-tha, <Arevanye> [7/31 @ 20:17] (0/0)

I think they're human <Penthe> [7/30 @ 1:12] (1/2)

I will post a long argument <Beren IV> [7/30 @ 1:49] (1/1)

The Edain may also <Curious> [7/31 @ 6:41] (0/0)

lucia, this is lovely <Entmaiden> [7/29 @ 20:38] (2/3)

You bring out the most important point (for me). <Orald> [7/30 @ 20:53] (0/0)
thanks.. <lucia> [7/29 @ 23:00] (1/1)

It's my party hat <Entmaiden> [7/30 @ 13:51] (0/0)

A passage of great sadness <Penthe> [7/29 @ 19:54] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 19. <Curious> [7/29 @ 17:56] (2/4)

The Valar rule the world but *not* <Curious> [7/31 @ 6:16] (0/0)
The "nature" of beings <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 18:51] (2/2)

Immortal animals <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 20:33] (0/0)
the 'nature' of Tolkien <lucia> [7/29 @ 20:28] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 18. <Curious> [7/29 @ 6:04] (4/12)

Yavanna and Oromë still visit <Curious> [7/31 @ 6:03] (0/0)
Legends of The White Horse <Arevanye> [7/30 @ 21:33] (1/4)

Odin had a white horse <an seileachan> [7/31 @ 7:49] (1/3)

I despair of ever <Arevanye> [7/31 @ 10:58] (1/2)

oh hey, will you look at that <Arevanye> [7/31 @ 15:15] (1/1)

back to the White Horse of Uffington... <an seileachan> [7/31 @ 19:56] (0/0)

i've always wondered <hills> [7/29 @ 12:40] (1/2)

We'll get to this, but I won't be here... <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 20:27] (1/1)

Perhaps they were just subtle. <Curious> [7/31 @ 5:53] (0/0)

Literary devices <CelebornsMirror> [7/29 @ 12:15] (1/2)

Ancient Semantic Unity <Ransom> [7/29 @ 15:22] (1/1)

Thanks for your answer! (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/29 @ 16:32] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 17. <Curious> [7/29 @ 6:04] (4/15)

You can't build a house on water. <Curious> [7/30 @ 16:58] (1/1)

but water is also life <an seileachan> [7/30 @ 19:25] (0/0)

This is why I like Ulmo. <NZ Strider> [7/30 @ 2:58] (3/5)

Rebels are attractive. <Orald> [7/30 @ 20:40] (0/0)
I couldn't disagree more. <Curious> [7/30 @ 17:15] (0/0)
how is he the most rebellious? (No Text) <lucia> [7/30 @ 15:43] (1/2)

Hmmm... There are, I think, two main kinds <NZ Strider> [7/31 @ 5:59] (1/1)

And Manwe's Eagles protect Gondolin. <Curious> [7/31 @ 6:05] (0/0)

Is Ulmo greater than the other Valar (cough cough)? <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 20:21] (0/0)
Holy wells <an seileachan> [7/29 @ 7:03] (4/5)

My cousin (name dropping here :-) <Kimi> [7/30 @ 1:30] (0/0)
Holy wells <Arevanye> [7/29 @ 14:21] (0/0)
Which may be why he has no "wife"... <aragonvaar> [7/29 @ 11:43] (0/0)
Holy Wells in England <Ceorl> [7/29 @ 10:03] (1/1)

There's a great mystery story by Chesterton... <aragonvaar> [7/29 @ 11:42] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 16. <Curious> [7/29 @ 6:03] (7/50)

Why the Vanyar? <Lorien-lover> [7/30 @ 12:40] (1/6)

Manwe isn't Eru. He can have favorites. <Curious> [7/30 @ 16:42] (2/5)

OK, maybe I asked the wrong question then <Lorien-lover> [7/30 @ 20:48] (2/3)

Gandalf may provide a clue. <Curious> [7/31 @ 5:27] (0/0)
Manwe is the good younger brother <squire > [7/30 @ 21:16] (1/1)

Oh my. <Curious> [7/31 @ 5:16] (0/0)

Quarter, I think. <Kimi> [7/30 @ 19:53] (0/0)

Varda, Maker of Stars <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 20:18] (1/1)

Kind of an author's blip <squire > [7/29 @ 20:32] (0/0)

Manwë is no Aslan <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/29 @ 19:14] (4/13)

Echoes and reflections again. The <Curious> [7/30 @ 16:26] (1/1)

That's a helpful metaphor. Thanks. (No Text) <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/30 @ 17:22] (0/0)

opening the text <an ent> [7/29 @ 21:58] (0/0)
Christ-like in aspects, but not a Christ figure as such <drogo_drogo> [7/29 @ 20:40] (1/7)

I'm not seeing it <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/29 @ 20:50] (2/6)

I've come to think of it like I did as a child... <an seileachan> [7/29 @ 21:19] (1/3)

a couple of ways of looking at things <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/29 @ 23:47] (1/2)

But surely Eru is personally active? <Orald> [7/30 @ 9:48] (1/1)

it doesn't seem personal to me <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/30 @ 14:38] (0/0)

Perhaps it's not harmony that you want <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 21:01] (1/1)

Hmm. Maybe the missing link? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/29 @ 23:49] (0/0)

why I think Manwe cannot be Jesus <an seileachan> [7/29 @ 19:57] (1/1)

I think I need to stop looking for parallels <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/29 @ 20:23] (0/0)

*annoyed comment* <squire > [7/29 @ 14:22] (2/13)

Come back over here, and I'll tell you <squire > [7/29 @ 17:38] (1/1)

Got it -- thanks! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 18:39] (0/0)

psst ... <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 16:04] (1/10)

...tssp <squire > [7/29 @ 16:09] (1/9)

But it's a lovely hat! (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 16:10] (1/8)

It's a Tolkien original! <squire > [7/29 @ 16:42] (2/7)

Did Tolkien mean it for a hat? <Curious> [7/29 @ 17:14] (1/4)

Yes, you don't think I'd call this thing <squire > [7/29 @ 17:41] (2/3)

goodness, *blinks* <Penthe> [7/29 @ 23:00] (0/0)
I think <Curious> [7/29 @ 19:04] (1/1)

just having fun with scale there <squire > [7/29 @ 19:40] (0/0)

How much of this is <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 16:54] (1/1)

combining and editing <Penthe> [7/29 @ 19:20] (0/0)

Song and Poetry <CelebornsMirror> [7/29 @ 12:24] (0/0)
Thoughts on the scepter and the image of kingship in the Sil <drogo_drogo> [7/29 @ 11:52] (4/6)

Aman: the scepter'd isle? <Kimi> [7/30 @ 1:00] (1/1)

That would be Numenor. <Curious> [7/30 @ 16:17] (0/0)

yes, I think this is odd, too <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/29 @ 18:13] (0/0)
Uh, his scepter is "wrought by the Noldor"... <aragonvaar> [7/29 @ 12:35] (1/1)

But how did it evolve among the Noldor? <drogo_drogo> [7/29 @ 18:33] (0/0)

But isn't this partly the point of myth vs. history? <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 12:29] (0/0)

Perhaps we might get a better idea.... <aragonvaar> [7/29 @ 10:33] (1/4)

*moves HoME up to top of books-to-buy list* (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 12:27] (1/3)

Warning: HoME is kinda like... <aragonvaar> [7/29 @ 12:37] (2/2)

I've only skimmed the HoME... <N.E. Brigand> [7/29 @ 15:14] (0/0)
OK, then...moves HoME to the top... <an seileachan> [7/29 @ 12:55] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 15. <Curious> [7/28 @ 15:27] (4/11)

Manwë did not foresake ME either. <Curious> [7/30 @ 16:09] (0/0)
Here we get those pesky spirits again <drogo_drogo> [7/28 @ 21:19] (1/4)

Types of spirits that we know about... <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 2:20] (1/3)

In *Morgoth's Ring* <NZ Strider> [7/29 @ 3:55] (1/2)

Uh oh, sounds a bit like Orcs <drogo_drogo> [7/29 @ 7:17] (1/1)

Interestingly, all of those things <NZ Strider> [7/29 @ 14:56] (0/0)

those pesky eagles <Lúthien_Rising> [7/28 @ 17:37] (1/1)

One of the earliest and most obvious links... <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 2:17] (0/0)

Tolkien's classic sources are represented here <PhantomS> [7/28 @ 15:47] (1/2)

Hawks and Eagles. <Pukel-man> [7/28 @ 20:35] (1/1)

For the eagle, yes; <NZ Strider> [7/29 @ 4:11] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 14. <Curious> [7/28 @ 15:27] (4/11)

Aulë, not Ulmo, has the most influence on Men, <Curious> [7/30 @ 16:05] (0/0)
Aule, modernity and industrialization <Bythedar> [7/29 @ 9:43] (1/1)

Double edged sword <Ransom> [7/29 @ 14:56] (0/0)

And here we all find ourselves reflected <Lúthien_Rising> [7/28 @ 17:34] (0/0)
Aule has much to answer for. <N.E. Brigand> [7/28 @ 15:56] (3/6)

Movements of the body... <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 2:14] (1/3)

those and also <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 12:25] (1/2)

That last sounds... <aragonvaar> [7/29 @ 12:43] (1/1)

My points exactly :) (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 20:11] (0/0)

Ship Building <Lotheriel> [7/28 @ 20:55] (0/0)
Well, there are always Dwarves... <aragonvaar> [7/28 @ 17:41] (0/0)

Smith of Wootton Major: Day Trips to Faery <drogo_drogo> [7/28 @ 6:55] (5/6)

Take the Pelóri Pass? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/28 @ 21:11] (0/0)
A couple thoughts... <NZ Strider> [7/28 @ 20:17] (1/1)

I recall some hint that Bilbo <Curious> [7/28 @ 20:28] (0/0)

Some folks golf, <erather> [7/28 @ 19:28] (0/0)
Farther up and further in. <N.E. Brigand> [7/28 @ 17:17] (0/0)
The Married Adventurer. <Curious> [7/28 @ 7:15] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 13. <Curious> [7/28 @ 5:43] (5/14)

How did anything survive without a sun? <Curious> [7/30 @ 6:47] (1/2)

Tolkien eventually asked himself the same question <squire > [7/30 @ 8:52] (1/1)

I like this <CelebornsMirror> [7/30 @ 18:11] (0/0)

Melkor is useful... <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 2:08] (2/4)

well, I'm allowed to disagree a bit ;-) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 10:04] (1/2)

Volcano theory of life? <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 20:14] (1/1)

Yep, that. Can't have life without it, right? (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/29 @ 20:40] (0/0)

All things serve Eru's purpose <an seileachan> [7/29 @ 6:51] (0/0)

some say the world will end in fire.... <an seileachan> [7/28 @ 20:09] (0/0)
It's interesting that it doesn't say <Lúthien_Rising> [7/28 @ 17:29] (1/1)

This is an excellent point that is too easy to forget... <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 2:02] (0/0)

I recognize this passage <squire > [7/28 @ 13:49] (2/2)

The origin of Ungoliant <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 1:59] (0/0)
Beasts, plants and Land <Bythedar> [7/28 @ 13:58] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 12. <Curious> [7/28 @ 5:42] (2/8)

Did they drink from those vats? <Curious> [7/30 @ 3:33] (0/0)
Why introduce ways of measuring time now? <drogo_drogo> [7/28 @ 12:37] (3/6)

the first mention of time, but not the beginning of time <an seileachan> [7/28 @ 19:17] (0/0)
Time and narrative <Lúthien_Rising> [7/28 @ 17:27] (0/0)
other ideas <Menelwyn> [7/28 @ 12:50] (3/3)

Not by Eru. The Second Prophecy <Curious> [7/30 @ 3:08] (0/0)
The trees will be rekindled again <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 1:47] (0/0)
Good point, the Valar's strength diminishes <drogo_drogo> [7/28 @ 13:03] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 11. <Curious> [7/28 @ 5:42] (4/12)

All trees echo these trees, all light <Curious> [7/30 @ 3:00] (0/0)
Gorgeous, but worth war? <CelebornsMirror> [7/28 @ 13:00] (3/7)

These aren't just trees, I think <Lúthien_Rising> [7/28 @ 17:23] (1/1)

I agree. Furthermore... <Beren IV> [7/29 @ 1:41] (0/0)

then why go after vandals, arsonists and muggers? <hartk> [7/28 @ 14:44] (1/1)

Exactly! <Matthew/Ugluk> [7/28 @ 22:08] (0/0)

Gold, land, Silmarils, its all the same <Bythedar> [7/28 @ 13:35] (1/2)

I think there was more to it than that. <vedhed> [7/28 @ 15:17] (1/1)

hahahaha! More than just glowing trees!! hilarious! (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/28 @ 17:29] (0/0)

Silent Night <Bythedar> [7/28 @ 9:20] (0/0)
Male and female trees <Kimi> [7/28 @ 6:05] (1/1)

I like that <Modtheow> [7/28 @ 11:28] (0/0)

Blaspheming the Valar <Beren IV> [7/28 @ 2:33] (3/6)

Like all being tied to the material world, they are subject to entropy and dysfunction... <aragonvaar> [7/28 @ 17:33] (0/0)
are the Valar man's guardians? <an seileachan> [7/28 @ 7:27] (0/0)
I suggest that we address this <Curious> [7/28 @ 7:21] (2/3)

I hope we'll also <Lúthien_Rising> [7/28 @ 17:20] (0/0)
oops. sorry, posted before I read this. (No Text) <an seileachan> [7/28 @ 7:34] (1/1)

It's just a suggestion. (No Text) <Curious> [7/28 @ 7:38] (0/0)

Is Melkor redeemable? <Beren IV> [7/28 @ 2:29] (4/4)

Not yet, and probably not ever. <Curious> [7/30 @ 6:42] (0/0)
He's not Evil, just misunderstood <Arathorn> [7/28 @ 11:02] (0/0)
It seems Melkor was given chances <hartk> [7/28 @ 10:09] (0/0)
Perfect Evil and Apocatastasis <Stanislaus B.> [7/28 @ 3:31] (0/0)

Sauron's death. Is it *final*..?? <tkip> [7/27 @ 23:06] (2/3)

Sauron was of the Maiar, and can never be KILLED <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/28 @ 1:20] (0/0)
Final, sure, but he still survives <squire > [7/27 @ 23:13] (1/1)

But wasn't the Balrog destroyed? <Liath> [7/30 @ 17:33] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 10. <Curious> [7/27 @ 19:14] (5/12)

Valmar is the Ideal City, <Curious> [7/29 @ 6:49] (0/0)
City? And my thoughts on rest and work. <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/28 @ 2:33] (1/1)

I tend to agree <Beren IV> [7/28 @ 4:15] (0/0)

Confession: the name Valmar <Kimi> [7/27 @ 20:23] (0/0)
That Nienna sure can bring down a room, can't she? <Arevanye> [7/27 @ 20:00] (1/1)

Good point ;) (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/28 @ 2:11] (0/0)

More names. <N.E. Brigand> [7/27 @ 19:50] (4/5)

Multiple names <Mortae> [7/28 @ 9:39] (0/0)
Names <Stanislaus B.> [7/28 @ 2:22] (0/0)
Nienna mourns <Lúthien_Rising> [7/27 @ 21:09] (0/0)
Multiple choice names <Arevanye> [7/27 @ 20:24] (1/1)

But we know, or can find... <N.E. Brigand> [7/28 @ 15:41] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 9. <Curious> [7/27 @ 19:05] (5/40)

The Valar acted to preserve <Curious> [7/29 @ 6:40] (0/0)
The Deathless? <Beren IV> [7/28 @ 2:02] (1/1)

but it wasn't <bigidiot> [7/28 @ 10:48] (0/0)

Alas for Middle-earth <Kimi> [7/27 @ 20:11] (2/33)

But they abandon Middle-earth SO many times <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/28 @ 1:58] (1/1)

I'm going to address all of this in a later issue (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/28 @ 2:08] (0/0)

I really hate how the Valar abandon Middle-earth <drogo_drogo> [7/27 @ 20:20] (8/30)

its an ancient romantic notion... <hartk> [7/28 @ 10:31] (0/0)
They're immortal deities hamstrung by fiction. <Pukel-man> [7/28 @ 9:47] (6/22)

It's the problem of inserting immortals into a temporal narrative <drogo_drogo> [7/28 @ 20:49] (0/0)
The best explanation I'd ever heard... <aragonvaar> [7/28 @ 17:25] (0/0)
From a poem of Tolkien's: <NZ Strider> [7/28 @ 15:32] (0/0)
Would a framing device have helped? <N.E. Brigand> [7/28 @ 15:31] (1/3)

But that wasn't his interest. <Curious> [7/28 @ 15:37] (1/2)

Too many goals? <N.E. Brigand> [7/28 @ 16:18] (1/1)

Ha! These are the appendices <Curious> [7/28 @ 16:26] (0/0)

The only way out that I can see <NZ Strider> [7/28 @ 15:20] (1/2)

If I were feeling mischievous, I might speculate . . . <Pukel-man> [7/28 @ 17:07] (1/1)

*moves away <Curious> [7/28 @ 19:47] (0/0)

Excellent analysis, P-M <squire > [7/28 @ 12:04] (1/11)

Perhaps this is not <Curious> [7/28 @ 12:41] (3/10)

Can you say a bit more . . . <Pukel-man> [7/28 @ 13:16] (1/4)

Ok. <Curious> [7/28 @ 14:32] (2/3)

Small typo: <Curious> [7/29 @ 9:26] (0/0)
Thanks. So . . . <Pukel-man> [7/28 @ 17:03] (1/1)

If I <Curious> [7/28 @ 19:41] (0/0)

Mythology for the Primary World <Bythedar> [7/28 @ 13:15] (0/0)
I'll hold the guy to the fire here <squire > [7/28 @ 13:14] (2/3)

Or <Curious> [7/28 @ 13:42] (1/1)

Which is the key <squire > [7/28 @ 13:58] (0/0)

I suppose the moral . . . <Pukel-man> [7/28 @ 13:31] (0/0)

I disagree, please see my post below (No Text - Image Inside) <Bythedar> [7/28 @ 9:02] (0/0)
The REAL abandonment hasn't started yet... <Beren IV> [7/28 @ 2:06] (0/0)
they'd already had an ancient history <bigidiot> [7/27 @ 22:40] (0/0)
But whenever they try to share it round.... <Penthe> [7/27 @ 21:31] (0/0)
it bothers me too <Menelwyn> [7/27 @ 21:28] (0/0)
absolutely! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/27 @ 21:06] (0/0)

No stain. <N.E. Brigand> [7/27 @ 19:59] (1/1)

on connection to Lorien <Menelwyn> [7/27 @ 20:12] (0/0)

OK!! they're gathering light, again!!! <an seileachan> [7/27 @ 19:55] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 8. <Curious> [7/27 @ 4:53] (4/19)

Here's Fonstad's map of the flat vs. round Arda (No Text - Link Inside) <drogo_drogo> [7/27 @ 10:36] (1/6)

Thanks for providing that--a question <Arevanye> [7/27 @ 11:42] (2/5)

From the Ambarkanta in The Shaping of Middle-earth (HoME vol. 4) <drogo_drogo> [7/27 @ 13:17] (1/1)

Now it makes sense with that quote <Arevanye> [7/27 @ 14:23] (0/0)

Roots of the World <Bythedar> [7/27 @ 12:30] (1/2)

Go not to <Arevanye> [7/27 @ 14:27] (1/1)

Maybe...... :) (No Text) <Bythedar> [7/27 @ 14:30] (0/0)

And the names begin! <Bythedar> [7/27 @ 8:54] (1/1)

The names begin because Valinor <Curious> [7/29 @ 6:31] (0/0)

flat earth and the the endless distance <Penthe> [7/27 @ 5:37] (2/4)

Interestingly, Tolkien actually <NZ Strider> [7/27 @ 15:07] (1/1)

Maybe a dome? <Curious> [7/27 @ 15:22] (0/0)

The Greeks knew all about it. And <Curious> [7/27 @ 5:56] (1/1)

Possibly <Arathorn> [7/27 @ 9:13] (0/0)

The image of the a Flat Earth <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/27 @ 5:23] (1/4)

My response to this sort of thing is always . . . <Pukel-man> [7/27 @ 11:10] (1/3)

Yes, BUT... <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/27 @ 11:39] (1/2)

I accept . . . <Pukel-man> [7/27 @ 12:03] (1/1)

Tolkien himself <NZ Strider> [7/27 @ 14:55] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 7. <Curious> [7/27 @ 4:52] (3/8)

Questions about this *key* passage. <Curious> [7/28 @ 6:05] (4/4)

Why I think this is key: <Curious> [7/29 @ 6:22] (0/0)
They were right... <N.E. Brigand> [7/28 @ 16:57] (0/0)
Some thoughts. <Ossë> [7/28 @ 9:07] (0/0)
Free will vs Automatons <Bythedar> [7/28 @ 8:36] (0/0)

Nice place you got here <Ossë> [7/27 @ 9:57] (0/0)
Children in the womb <Bythedar> [7/27 @ 8:34] (1/1)

"For dust thou art <Kimi> [7/27 @ 17:40] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 6. <Curious> [7/27 @ 4:51] (4/13)

Before Melkor there was permanent Spring. <Curious> [7/29 @ 6:15] (0/0)
Utumno as Hell <drogo_drogo> [7/27 @ 10:47] (0/0)
Breaking of the Symmetry <Bythedar> [7/27 @ 8:24] (4/9)

Are there two Melkors? <Beren IV> [7/28 @ 1:48] (0/0)
From Morgoth's Ring <drogo_drogo> [7/27 @ 10:52] (1/3)

I stand corrected <Bythedar> [7/27 @ 12:26] (1/2)

He might have initially wanted order <drogo_drogo> [7/27 @ 13:04] (1/1)

Sometimes a Grond is just a Grond? :) (No Text) <Bythedar> [7/27 @ 13:09] (0/0)

order and chaos, the sublime and the beautiful <Lúthien_Rising> [7/27 @ 9:22] (1/1)

khaos and chaos theory <an seileachan> [7/27 @ 14:10] (0/0)

Could be correct from Eru's point of view but <Arathorn> [7/27 @ 9:02] (1/1)

Morgoth's nihlism <Bythedar> [7/27 @ 9:26] (0/0)

the beasts became monsters <an seileachan> [7/27 @ 6:57] (0/0)

Sport in ME? <Ceorl> [7/27 @ 4:14] (3/14)

Probably just martial arts <hartk> [7/27 @ 10:29] (1/1)

rohirrim games <Penthe> [7/27 @ 18:49] (0/0)

Tolkien on entertainment <Beren IV> [7/27 @ 4:40] (4/8)

Don't I recall <Fisher> [7/27 @ 13:17] (0/0)
Rivendell has lots of entertainment <Modtheow> [7/27 @ 8:46] (1/1)

Point taken (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/28 @ 1:38] (0/0)

Sport and war. <Ceorl> [7/27 @ 5:06] (1/2)

Catholics and sports? <hartk> [7/27 @ 10:33] (1/1)

That's what Sundays are for! <Nimrodel > [7/27 @ 23:18] (0/0)

The Shire has lots of games. <Curious> [7/27 @ 4:47] (1/1)

And don't forget... <Modtheow> [7/27 @ 9:04] (0/0)

I can't think of any team sports. <Curious> [7/27 @ 4:38] (1/2)

Yeah, of course that's bare-knuckle and outside of Queensberry rules! ;-) (No Text) <Ceorl> [7/27 @ 4:47] (1/1)

OT: Bare-knuckle is less brutal if <Curious> [7/27 @ 4:59] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 5. <Curious> [7/26 @ 16:47] (7/11)

In hindsight, it is easy to laugh <Curious> [7/28 @ 11:49] (0/0)
Manwe: The HARD learner... <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/27 @ 5:35] (1/3)

mercy and justice <FantasyFan> [7/27 @ 8:19] (1/2)

While Gollum and Saruman have certain things in common, Melkor is another story... <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/27 @ 11:14] (1/1)

Manwe still must answer to Iluvatar <Bythedar> [7/27 @ 12:37] (0/0)

Some of the sections here exasperate me <Entmaiden> [7/26 @ 23:08] (1/1)

It was on the invitation <Kimi> [7/27 @ 1:20] (0/0)

blinded by the light <lucia> [7/26 @ 19:56] (0/0)
I have nothing serious to contribute here, except <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 19:40] (0/0)
Blocking Shadow <Bythedar> [7/26 @ 19:13] (0/0)
The Ice Pillars (BoLT related, but not required) <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:41] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 4. <Curious> [7/26 @ 16:47] (6/19)

Feast as in the eucharist? <Curious> [7/28 @ 11:31] (1/1)

feasts and covenant meals <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/28 @ 12:55] (0/0)

So what's with all these feasts anyway? <drogo_drogo> [7/26 @ 18:42] (1/2)

Your last statement <Bythedar> [7/26 @ 18:52] (1/1)

celebrations & on being guarded <Penthe> [7/26 @ 19:24] (0/0)

Fall of Melkor <Bythedar> [7/26 @ 18:36] (1/1)

Love and compassion <Penthe> [7/26 @ 19:21] (0/0)

How does he get allies outside of Eä? <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:35] (1/1)

Not outside <Ossë> [7/26 @ 20:30] (0/0)

A bit of Snidely Whiplash here <squire > [7/26 @ 17:14] (5/8)

A few comments <Ossë> [7/26 @ 20:20] (0/0)
Making of Arda and of feasts <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 19:34] (1/3)

no flowers = no fruit (No Text) <Penthe> [7/27 @ 2:29] (1/2)

I thought maybe there could be <Lúthien_Rising> [7/27 @ 8:32] (1/1)

Yes, why worry until pressed? (No Text) <Penthe> [7/27 @ 18:43] (0/0)

Psst, Squire <Bythedar> [7/26 @ 19:31] (0/0)
More Tulkas <Penthe> [7/26 @ 19:17] (0/0)
But how do you really feel? (No Text) <Curious> [7/26 @ 17:37] (0/0)

Small typo: "the Valar and all their host" not <Curious> [7/26 @ 16:53] (0/0)

Smith of Wootton Major: Smith Starbrow <drogo_drogo> [7/26 @ 6:53] (4/16)

I'll toss my star in on this one <squire > [7/26 @ 16:31] (1/2)

On Smith's age <Ransom> [7/26 @ 19:09] (1/1)

First Communion <Kimi> [7/26 @ 22:41] (0/0)

Now some attempts at answering the questions... <NZ Strider> [7/26 @ 14:31] (0/0)
Just on the scene... Some parallels from Tolkien's work: <NZ Strider> [7/26 @ 13:53] (2/10)

MacDonald's "The Golden Key" <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 16:40] (0/0)
Funky little echo in The Hobbit, too <squire > [7/26 @ 14:21] (1/8)

And what of Frodo waking <Curious> [7/26 @ 14:45] (2/7)

Maybe this one? <squire > [7/26 @ 15:05] (1/1)

I am helpless without Google. <Curious> [7/26 @ 15:14] (0/0)

Possibly this one? <squire > [7/26 @ 14:54] (1/4)

No, not that one. <Curious> [7/26 @ 14:58] (1/3)

Are you saying <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 17:08] (1/2)

Here: (No Text - Link Inside) <Curious> [7/26 @ 17:39] (1/1)

!!! When I first read that I thought it said Mt. Doom virus (No Text) <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 17:43] (0/0)

Note the Recovery. <Curious> [7/26 @ 11:43] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 3. <Curious> [7/26 @ 1:11] (7/47)

As he did with the First War, <Curious> [7/27 @ 13:42] (1/1)

Actually, they've found evidence <Arevanye> [7/27 @ 14:40] (0/0)

Jurassic Park, Valar style <drogo_drogo> [7/26 @ 7:21] (4/12)

Tolkien discussed dinosaurs... <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 18:44] (1/1)

From Letter 211: <Curious> [7/27 @ 5:06] (0/0)

The time scale of the fossil record... <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:31] (0/0)
the fossil record <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 9:44] (2/7)

Tolkien and paleogeology <drogo_drogo> [7/26 @ 11:33] (1/3)

Well hehehe <Mortae> [7/26 @ 12:20] (1/2)

Let's say Mogoth invented fossil feuls and greenhouse gases <drogo_drogo> [7/26 @ 12:49] (1/1)

The most important greenhouse gas in our atmosphere is Ulmo's to play with... (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:26] (0/0)

addendum re: Pangea Theory <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 10:01] (1/2)

What's even sadder <squire > [7/26 @ 19:43] (1/1)

I just realized <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 21:04] (0/0)

I'm sure that <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 9:21] (0/0)

Those are *some* trees <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 5:46] (3/8)

LYCOPODS!! <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:23] (0/0)
Tolkien has some pretty big trees later... <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:20] (0/0)
Here's Nasmith's illustration... mighty big trees (No Text - Link Inside) <drogo_drogo> [7/26 @ 7:14] (1/5)

That's surprising to me <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 8:21] (1/4)

me too <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 9:20] (1/3)

see my post above <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 9:50] (1/2)

not well worded, I guess <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 10:57] (1/1)

oooh I get it now <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 11:22] (0/0)

Musings on colour <Estelwyn> [7/26 @ 4:34] (3/3)

Varda made the first colors <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:18] (0/0)
blue (and light) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 9:18] (0/0)
Stars? <Kimi> [7/26 @ 4:54] (0/0)

Gymnosperms and angiosperms <Kimi> [7/26 @ 3:11] (2/3)

The Radiation of the Plant Phyla <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:15] (0/0)
Psst Kimi <Estelwyn> [7/26 @ 4:21] (1/1)

Let's just say <Kimi> [7/26 @ 4:29] (0/0)

creation of a waiting space <Penthe> [7/26 @ 1:49] (2/7)

time and change <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 9:15] (2/4)

Elves and time. <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 18:37] (0/0)
can physical beings move (physically) outside time? <an seileachan> [7/26 @ 13:13] (1/2)

time vs knowledge <lucia> [7/26 @ 15:30] (1/1)

good point <an seileachan> [7/26 @ 16:33] (0/0)

not before Time... <an seileachan> [7/26 @ 7:27] (1/1)

I agree it is beautiful... <Penthe> [7/26 @ 19:09] (0/0)

In The Book of Lost Tales (hereafter referred to as BoLT)... <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:25] (2/6)

as you describe it below, <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 9:10] (0/0)
Oh yeah - I forgot (again)... <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:43] (1/4)

Most of us haven't read BoLT. <Curious> [7/26 @ 1:44] (1/3)

It's not a problem <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:53] (1/2)

Um, there's water, there's land... <aragonvaar> [7/26 @ 10:47] (1/1)

I'm not saying that's wrong, but it might be just mischeif yet... (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:11] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 2. <Curious> [7/26 @ 1:10] (10/44)

As others have noted, <Curious> [7/27 @ 13:21] (0/0)
Shades of Narnia! <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 18:25] (1/1)

Yes there is <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 18:56] (0/0)

the hallowed lights... <lucia> [7/26 @ 15:05] (1/1)

Like Scotch Guard. Only better! But <Curious> [7/26 @ 16:22] (0/0)

The Two Lamps were un-natural for the earth... <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/26 @ 13:56] (2/7)

It's good for night baseball and giant <Curious> [7/26 @ 16:24] (0/0)
I'm curious <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 16:15] (1/5)

This is nothing against those from Alaska... <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/26 @ 16:31] (3/4)

"Insomnia." <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 18:15] (1/1)

In the case of Finland <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 19:29] (0/0)

of course not! <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 16:50] (0/0)
Endless night, certainly, <Curious> [7/26 @ 16:34] (0/0)

Why the image of Lamps? <Mortae> [7/26 @ 11:23] (1/1)

Structurally speaking... <drogo_drogo> [7/26 @ 11:38] (0/0)

First of Three lightings <Bythedar> [7/26 @ 8:50] (2/5)

Aule created "Middle-earth" <squire > [7/26 @ 11:11] (1/2)

Of course he did! He sang with all the other Ainur! :) (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:09] (1/1)

I was being more specific than that <squire > [7/26 @ 18:38] (0/0)

Created the lamps... <Suni> [7/26 @ 8:53] (1/1)

I think that other descriptions <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 9:08] (0/0)

what did Varda fill the lamps with? <an seileachan> [7/26 @ 7:19] (5/6)

I dislike that possiblility <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:08] (0/0)
A possibility. <Ossë> [7/26 @ 12:32] (0/0)
doesn't it say somewhere else <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 9:07] (0/0)
The Imperishable Flame? <Bythedar> [7/26 @ 8:59] (0/0)
I don't have an answer either. <Curious> [7/26 @ 8:10] (1/1)

my mind confronts the problem <an seileachan> [7/26 @ 13:34] (0/0)

Where did Yavanna devise the seeds? <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 5:52] (1/3)

Oh come on, give it a try. <Curious> [7/26 @ 8:09] (1/2)

well.....hmmm <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 8:48] (1/1)

Ex ellent! <Bythedar> [7/26 @ 8:56] (0/0)

I can't decide <Kimi> [7/26 @ 2:30] (0/0)
Seeds of Yavanna and the morality of Creation <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:22] (3/10)

Mandate vs Self-desire <Bythedar> [7/26 @ 8:53] (1/1)

Was it, though? <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 18:00] (0/0)

Yavanna and Aule's Dwarves <Mapalon> [7/26 @ 1:33] (1/3)

I think the big difference <Ataahua> [7/26 @ 4:40] (2/2)

they seem to me <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 9:04] (0/0)
So many questions, <Curious> [7/26 @ 8:15] (0/0)

Again, what are your answers? (No Text) <Curious> [7/26 @ 1:25] (1/3)

I don't have any yet :) (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:41] (1/2)

How about UUTs? <Curious> [7/26 @ 8:13] (1/1)

Theology of souls... <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:04] (0/0)

The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days, Part 1. <Curious> [7/26 @ 1:06] (12/79)

My two cents worth. <Curious> [7/27 @ 10:51] (2/3)

Catholicism and Evolution <Stanislaus B.> [7/28 @ 3:16] (1/1)

Darwin himself <Curious> [7/28 @ 5:25] (0/0)

Tolkien fills in the Genesis Gap? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/28 @ 1:53] (0/0)

Bwahahaha! <erather> [7/26 @ 20:48] (0/0)
You're off to a good start. <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 17:46] (1/1)

Good aggression <squire > [7/26 @ 18:01] (0/0)

Theory of laughter <Modtheow> [7/26 @ 11:09] (3/8)

So Tulkas might be the Vala behind the hobbits <drogo_drogo> [7/26 @ 12:54] (1/3)

Er, no. <Curious> [7/26 @ 13:23] (2/2)

Well, Tulkas might have developed a hobby <drogo_drogo> [7/26 @ 18:51] (0/0)
"A giant among the hobbits" -- neat! (No Text) <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 17:30] (0/0)

Yes, squire and I <Curious> [7/26 @ 12:26] (1/2)

sorry, same discussion in 2 places <Modtheow> [7/26 @ 12:34] (1/1)

No problem. <Curious> [7/26 @ 12:45] (0/0)

I think you're dead on <squire > [7/26 @ 12:05] (0/0)

Some thoughts <Mortae> [7/26 @ 10:34] (0/0)
How would you film this battle? <drogo_drogo> [7/26 @ 7:26] (0/0)
Powers of concentration? <Kimi> [7/26 @ 2:10] (1/6)

The power of laughter <Estelwyn> [7/26 @ 3:53] (4/5)

Really cheesy example <IsisNewton> [7/26 @ 11:37] (1/1)

Is that in the book? <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 17:25] (0/0)

"For the devil is proude... <aragonvaar> [7/26 @ 10:44] (0/0)
I'm still trying to understand <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 5:36] (0/0)
"Whenever I feel afraid, <Ataahua> [7/26 @ 4:57] (0/0)

BoLT and the War of the Powers <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:41] (2/11)

Will there be quite a bit of discussion from BoLT? <Arevanye> [7/26 @ 5:54] (4/4)

Yes, but... <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 18:00] (0/0)
I don't think so. <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 17:18] (0/0)
I'm waiting to buy it <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 8:59] (0/0)
Psst 'Revie <Estelwyn> [7/26 @ 6:58] (0/0)

I don't understand. <Curious> [7/26 @ 1:43] (2/5)

Not sure it would make any difference <IsisNewton> [7/26 @ 8:30] (0/0)
In BoLT, <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:45] (1/3)

So? What <Curious> [7/26 @ 1:46] (1/2)

Excuse me, now I'm confused <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 2:06] (1/1)

It's not named, <Curious> [7/26 @ 2:08] (0/0)

Kicking the ball around <squire > [7/26 @ 1:30] (8/29)

Little Kingdom. <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 17:12] (0/0)
The Greater Valar may be wary... <aragonvaar> [7/26 @ 10:42] (0/0)
Perhaps <squire > [7/26 @ 10:32] (0/0)
The way I see it <Ossë> [7/26 @ 9:54] (0/0)
Tulkas' ability to drive out Morgoth <Bythedar> [7/26 @ 8:42] (1/16)

Oooh! Tulkas and hobbits! Interesting! <Curious> [7/26 @ 11:00] (3/15)

Orome and Tulkas during the Battle of the Morannon Fields <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/27 @ 14:20] (1/1)

Orthodoxy <Curious> [7/27 @ 20:56] (0/0)

Gollum was indomitable. <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 17:08] (0/0)
Well, that was the Ring <squire > [7/26 @ 11:56] (1/11)

How are you so sure? <Curious> [7/26 @ 12:19] (2/10)

Sil is not a story of Hope (for the most part) <Bythedar> [7/26 @ 13:06] (1/3)

Examples of good laughter in the Sil <squire > [7/26 @ 14:05] (2/2)

Retreating back to the familiar again <Estelwyn> [7/26 @ 18:09] (0/0)
Beleg Strongbow <Curious> [7/26 @ 14:41] (0/0)

I think it's pretty clear in the context of the entire chapter <squire > [7/26 @ 12:59] (1/5)

The Ring and Sting <Curious> [7/26 @ 13:08] (1/4)

The connection to Tulkas is clear <squire > [7/26 @ 13:26] (2/3)

Lalaith. <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 16:58] (0/0)
Hurin was one <Curious> [7/26 @ 14:33] (1/1)

My fuzziness <squire > [7/26 @ 15:00] (0/0)

Tulkas as a trendsetter! <Mapalon> [7/26 @ 1:44] (0/0)
So what are your theories? <Curious> [7/26 @ 1:39] (3/5)

strength is not only physical <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 8:58] (1/1)

"Something Wicked This Way Comes"... <an seileachan> [7/26 @ 18:12] (0/0)

I wonder if Tulkas had surprise on his side. <Ataahua> [7/26 @ 4:36] (1/1)

Although Melkor is later afraid... <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 16:36] (0/0)

Tulkas & strength <Penthe> [7/26 @ 1:55] (0/0)

The Hadean Aeon and the War of the Powers <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:39] (0/0)

On Tulkas <Mapalon> [7/26 @ 1:24] (0/0)
Tulkas and Melkor... <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:19] (1/3)

Again, what are your answers? (No Text) <Curious> [7/26 @ 1:24] (1/2)

I don't really have any good answers here... <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:34] (1/1)

or perhaps <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 8:54] (0/0)

Is this consistent with an out-of-time/within-time cosmology? <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:17] (1/6)

Good questions. What are your answers? (No Text) <Curious> [7/26 @ 1:23] (1/5)

Oh, oops! :) <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:31] (1/4)

Maiar Death <Mapalon> [7/26 @ 1:38] (1/3)

The Balrog <Beren IV> [7/26 @ 1:48] (2/2)

Eru sent Gandalf back. <N.E. Brigand> [7/26 @ 16:33] (0/0)
bodily death, but not spiritual death. <Mapalon> [7/26 @ 1:53] (0/0)

Nabokov and Tolkien <Doorwarden of Theoden> [7/25 @ 23:11] (2/2)

As for your question, I <Curious> [7/26 @ 2:05] (0/0)
Here's your reference: (No Text - Link Inside) <Curious> [7/26 @ 1:22] (0/0)

Paint me a Sil character in twenty words or less. <Pukel-man> [7/25 @ 11:48] (17/30)

All those 'F' elves <Estelwyn> [7/25 @ 23:00] (1/1)

*bookmarks* <Penthe> [7/25 @ 23:10] (0/0)

"Men called Finrod "Wisdom"..." <aragonvaar> [7/25 @ 22:52] (0/0)
melian <missymoose> [7/25 @ 21:40] (0/0)
Eöl <Lúthien_Rising> [7/25 @ 21:22] (0/0)
Sons of Feanor <Penthe> [7/25 @ 20:25] (0/0)
Maedhros <Man of Rohan> [7/25 @ 20:25] (0/0)
Morgoth... <drogo_drogo> [7/25 @ 18:52] (0/0)
Finarfin <hills> [7/25 @ 18:20] (0/0)
Feanor, <Mortae> [7/25 @ 16:46] (0/0)
Aerandir! <Taur Edhel> [7/25 @ 16:21] (1/1)

Movie-Aragorn would win... <Man of Rohan> [7/25 @ 20:29] (0/0)

*cough* Fewer. Ar-Pharazon: <Ataahua> [7/25 @ 15:31] (1/2)

Death, glorious death. <Penthe> [7/25 @ 23:01] (1/1)

Oh, very good ones ladies (No Text) <Altaira> [7/26 @ 0:12] (0/0)

Luthien . . . <Pukel-man> [7/25 @ 15:15] (1/1)

luthien <Penthe> [7/25 @ 19:00] (0/0)

This is hard! <Altaira> [7/25 @ 14:30] (1/1)

Did someone say haiku? <Arevanye> [7/25 @ 15:27] (0/0)

Túrin slays a dragon, but <NZ Strider> [7/25 @ 13:12] (2/7)

I note that you do not mention <Curious> [7/25 @ 13:24] (2/3)

Not to split hairs <Altaira> [7/25 @ 14:33] (0/0)
Túrin is a difficult one <NZ Strider> [7/25 @ 13:45] (1/1)

I like that! (No Text) <Curious> [7/25 @ 13:50] (0/0)

A bit on a tangent here <Inferno> [7/25 @ 13:19] (2/2)

Well, he's in good company... <NZ Strider> [7/25 @ 13:37] (0/0)
Tuor was similarly described <Curious> [7/25 @ 13:35] (0/0)

Morgoth stole the Silmarils <Curious> [7/25 @ 12:55] (0/0)
Fingolfin, <Curious> [7/25 @ 12:49] (0/0)
Tragic Túrin <Curious> [7/25 @ 12:39] (0/0)

NDQ (No Dumb Questions): Ainulindales, Valequenta ... <Lúthien_Rising> [7/24 @ 8:37] (5/68)

ANother word I don't understand. <Estelwyn> [7/26 @ 5:19] (1/2)

From dictionary.com: (No Text - Link Inside) <Kimi> [7/26 @ 5:26] (1/1)

Oh... <Estelwyn> [7/26 @ 6:47] (0/0)

ummm, raising hand... <Elf Princess of Lorien > [7/25 @ 1:12] (10/24)

*bookmarked* Thanks everyone <Elf Princess of Lorien > [7/26 @ 17:23] (0/0)
When in doubt.... <aragonvaar> [7/25 @ 22:49] (1/1)

someone ought to come up with <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 8:50] (0/0)

Even Frodo had trouble staying awake <Curious> [7/25 @ 22:17] (1/1)

you know what, Curious? <an seileachan> [7/26 @ 20:22] (0/0)

When you're confused, just keep going! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/25 @ 21:59] (0/0)
Another tip: Maps <Altaira> [7/25 @ 13:32] (1/3)

So *that* was Morgoth's problem! <Curious> [7/25 @ 13:38] (2/2)

And internet access was so bad at Angband <drogo_drogo> [7/25 @ 18:55] (0/0)
*snicker* (No Text) <Altaira> [7/25 @ 14:34] (0/0)

The Sil is the book I've read most <Inferno> [7/25 @ 12:46] (1/1)

Heartily agree with your 4) <Estelwyn> [7/25 @ 21:47] (0/0)

Thanks for asking, E.P. <PisceanMaid> [7/25 @ 11:04] (0/0)
If you do want to look things up: (No Text - Link Inside) <Curious> [7/25 @ 9:49] (0/0)
Something that helped me the first time <Estelwyn> [7/25 @ 4:54] (3/3)

Yes, that helped me a lot, and also <erather> [7/25 @ 17:41] (0/0)
Thanks for that tip (No Text) <Arevanye> [7/25 @ 9:03] (0/0)
I swore very loudly <Ataahua> [7/25 @ 5:58] (0/0)

Skim whenever necessary. <Curious> [7/25 @ 1:32] (3/5)

but unlike the Bible <an seileachan> [7/25 @ 12:26] (0/0)
Try to get an image of each character as a personality. <Pukel-man> [7/25 @ 11:41] (0/0)
Pay attention to Curious ;) (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/25 @ 3:09] (1/2)

he's feeling a little needy today...: ) (No Text) <lucia> [7/25 @ 15:17] (1/1)

Well *that* didn't help! <Curious> [7/25 @ 15:50] (0/0)

I just started the Sil (for 4th time!) <Lothiriel Adaneth> [7/24 @ 23:43] (4/10)

Earendil <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/25 @ 7:25] (1/1)

PS Saxo Grammaticus about Hamlet and Horvendil (No Text - Link Inside) <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/25 @ 9:30] (0/0)

Yes, you got it right... <Beren IV> [7/25 @ 3:07] (0/0)
Arda is the Kingdom of Earth. <Curious> [7/25 @ 0:01] (2/4)

Tolkien changed his mind on this <squire > [7/25 @ 0:46] (1/2)

But in the flat-Earth version <Curious> [7/25 @ 1:02] (1/1)

Yup (No Text) <squire > [7/25 @ 1:04] (0/0)

Thanks a bunch! (No Text) <Lothiriel Adaneth> [7/25 @ 0:18] (0/0)

Keep it up! <Kimi> [7/25 @ 0:00] (1/1)

Thankyou :) (No Text) <Lothiriel Adaneth> [7/25 @ 0:19] (0/0)

*shyly raises hand* <Estelwyn> [7/24 @ 23:36] (2/4)

Some answers... <Taur Edhel> [7/25 @ 17:06] (1/1)

So, to extrapolate and elaborate, <Orald> [7/26 @ 10:17] (0/0)

Speech and Account <Beren IV> [7/25 @ 2:56] (1/1)

Where's David Salo when you need 'im, eh? <Estelwyn> [7/25 @ 4:21] (0/0)

Ok, I have one! <Arevanye> [7/24 @ 10:13] (3/23)

On the Importance of the Balrogs <Beren IV> [7/24 @ 16:34] (2/9)

I don't think it is settled <Curious> [7/24 @ 23:39] (2/6)

My favorite viewpoint <Inferno> [7/25 @ 13:03] (1/2)

Were dragons Maiar? <N.E. Brigand> [7/25 @ 16:47] (1/1)

My understanding about dragons <Inferno> [7/25 @ 17:33] (0/0)

The evil cloud of Darkness <Beren IV> [7/25 @ 2:50] (1/2)

Sorry, <Curious> [7/25 @ 9:38] (1/1)

Reverend on Balrogs <Lúthien_Rising> [7/25 @ 21:41] (0/0)

Ancalagon <N.E. Brigand> [7/24 @ 18:21] (1/1)

*grabs copy of FOTR to look it up* <Arevanye> [7/24 @ 18:53] (0/0)

*tempted to mod up just for footer* (No Text) <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/24 @ 13:34] (2/5)

Hey, why not! (No Text) <Curious> [7/24 @ 16:04] (0/0)
I'm thinkin' yours is cuter! (No Text) <Arevanye> [7/24 @ 15:14] (1/3)

new and improved? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/24 @ 17:01] (2/2)

awwww.... <Arevanye> [7/24 @ 17:16] (0/0)
Yes, better still! Very cute. (No Text) <erather> [7/24 @ 17:12] (0/0)

What a great footer! As for your question, <Curious> [7/24 @ 11:18] (1/6)

Ok, I have yet one more question: <Arevanye> [7/24 @ 15:08] (2/5)

Orcs from George MacDonald... <Taur Edhel> [7/24 @ 15:57] (1/1)

I think I just ran across the goblins <Arevanye> [7/24 @ 16:15] (0/0)

Yes, Tolkien did <Curious> [7/24 @ 15:51] (1/2)

no kidding! <Arevanye> [7/24 @ 16:18] (1/1)

Haven't seen that draft... <N.E. Brigand> [7/24 @ 18:15] (0/0)

Smith of Wootton Major -- Summary. <Curious> [7/24 @ 8:37] (5/6)

Thanks, Curious, <erather> [7/25 @ 19:18] (0/0)
Thank you, Curious! <NZ Strider> [7/24 @ 23:17] (0/0)
Very well done, Curious! And a question. <Kimi> [7/24 @ 22:30] (1/1)

Maybe because Smith is <Curious> [7/25 @ 0:14] (0/0)

Thanks, Curious! <N.E. Brigand> [7/24 @ 18:11] (0/0)
despite my apparent frustration <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/24 @ 17:10] (0/0)

Ave atque Valequenta: Open Discussion <squire > [7/23 @ 23:53] (19/36)

Thanks so much... <Modtheow> [7/26 @ 11:32] (0/0)
Thanks, squire, really top-notch discussion <Entmaiden> [7/25 @ 20:41] (0/0)
Danke beaucoup for this week <drogo_drogo> [7/25 @ 18:47] (0/0)
Nice job, and <CelebornsMirror> [7/25 @ 17:14] (0/0)
Just wanted to add <Arevanye> [7/25 @ 16:02] (0/0)
Corrections to Valaquenta in History of Middle Earth <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/25 @ 7:59] (2/5)

"Expanded" edition of Silmarillion -- this fall! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/25 @ 21:37] (2/3)

curb your enthusiasm <squire > [7/25 @ 23:28] (0/0)
Well, <Curious> [7/25 @ 22:09] (1/1)

ah, well <Lúthien_Rising> [7/26 @ 8:48] (0/0)

Yes, indeed <squire > [7/25 @ 9:58] (0/0)

Thanks very much Squire. <Penthe> [7/25 @ 3:47] (0/0)
Yes, THANKS, SQUIRE!! <Beren IV> [7/25 @ 3:18] (0/0)
Drat <Athena daughter of Zeus> [7/25 @ 0:35] (0/0)
Thanks, Squire, for all the work <NZ Strider> [7/24 @ 23:18] (0/0)
Great, great job-- <nerdanel_50> [7/24 @ 22:37] (0/0)
What a week! <N.E. Brigand> [7/24 @ 18:03] (0/0)
A personal question, if I may... <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/24 @ 17:20] (1/8)

Oh, does it show? <squire > [7/24 @ 23:58] (1/7)

one answer leads to another question <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/25 @ 1:28] (2/6)

Let me get back to you on that one <squire > [7/25 @ 10:30] (1/1)

Not hard to visit <PisceanMaid> [7/25 @ 10:57] (0/0)

If I may butt in, <Curious> [7/25 @ 1:44] (1/3)

Totally agree. <Penthe> [7/25 @ 3:41] (1/2)

Have <Curious> [7/25 @ 9:46] (1/1)

No, I haven't , but I will now. Thanks (No Text) <Penthe> [7/25 @ 18:49] (0/0)

A little question, and a big one <erather> [7/24 @ 17:05] (1/1)

"Where have you gone, Istar Curumo? Heaven holds more hope for those in grey" <squire > [7/24 @ 23:42] (0/0)

*mostly just thrilled that I got mentioned* <lucia> [7/24 @ 16:17] (1/1)

pssst, lucia <nerdanel_50> [7/24 @ 22:33] (0/0)

Wow, what a hard act to follow! <Curious> [7/24 @ 7:19] (0/0)
The Good Melkor and Good Dragons? <Beren IV> [7/24 @ 5:36] (2/2)

Hmmm ... (with a note to squire) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/24 @ 18:07] (0/0)
behind where? <lucia> [7/24 @ 16:22] (0/0)

I lack sufficient superlatives <Kimi> [7/24 @ 2:26] (0/0)
Aule's Big Moment is still to come... <aragonvaar> [7/24 @ 0:24] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Snoozer or Loser? <squire > [7/23 @ 17:53] (7/27)

Sil framework <lucia> [7/24 @ 17:03] (2/2)

Hobbits in the Sil [skip this if you've not read further] <Lúthien_Rising> [7/24 @ 18:01] (0/0)
Actually I think CT was... <N.E. Brigand> [7/24 @ 17:53] (0/0)

are you in trouble? depends on who you ask <an seileachan> [7/24 @ 8:08] (0/0)
A Key to the Code. <Curious> [7/24 @ 7:00] (2/6)

I don't know. <Pukel-man> [7/24 @ 20:43] (2/4)

Note squire's comment below: (No Text - Link Inside) <Curious> [7/24 @ 23:45] (0/0)
But that's the beauty of it. <Curious> [7/24 @ 22:50] (1/2)

Yes . . . <Pukel-man> [7/25 @ 10:58] (1/1)

I don't understand <Curious> [7/25 @ 12:16] (0/0)

Nice point about the fog in the LotR! <N.E. Brigand> [7/24 @ 17:44] (0/0)

Tolkien himself said that the main reason for doing this was to make a cool story... <Beren IV> [7/24 @ 2:44] (0/0)
weird drawing <bigidiot> [7/23 @ 22:59] (1/6)

At the same point in the story, Sam <squire > [7/23 @ 23:26] (2/5)

Manwe, Varda, and Ulmo, <Curious> [7/25 @ 10:05] (0/0)
Precisely! But <Curious> [7/24 @ 23:49] (1/3)

Feel free <squire > [7/25 @ 1:03] (1/2)

And Chaos. (No Text) <Curious> [7/25 @ 1:10] (1/1)

Now, now <squire > [7/25 @ 1:14] (0/0)

Why not an appendix? <N.E. Brigand> [7/23 @ 22:27] (1/2)

Re Aragorn & Arwen's story: <erather> [7/23 @ 22:38] (1/1)

But you know straight away the second time you read it. <Penthe> [7/23 @ 22:46] (0/0)

Since you linked to it (darling you!), I'll comment on Christopher's foreword, <Lottelita> [7/23 @ 18:28] (1/4)

Linked, shminked <squire > [7/23 @ 18:45] (2/3)

Silm is primarily a cut-and-paste from the "latest" drafts... <aragonvaar> [7/24 @ 0:07] (0/0)
But doesn't CT say <Lottelita> [7/23 @ 18:59] (1/1)

I think he chose... <N.E. Brigand> [7/23 @ 22:24] (0/0)

Who are the ringwraiths? < titania8080 > [7/23 @ 14:44] (3/6)

SOME of them are named... <Beren IV> [7/24 @ 2:27] (0/0)
you guys rule! < titania8080 > [7/23 @ 16:12] (0/0)
yes... <hills> [7/23 @ 14:51] (1/3)

Not precisely <Inferno> [7/23 @ 15:34] (2/2)

2323 <hills> [7/23 @ 22:27] (0/0)
Addendum <Inferno> [7/23 @ 15:42] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Sauron, the Enemy’s servant <squire > [7/23 @ 11:58] (6/10)

Tolkien shoots up his own cosmology... <Beren IV> [7/24 @ 2:26] (0/0)
Sauron only has to fight Gandalf <bigidiot> [7/23 @ 21:46] (1/2)

On Tolkien/Aule Subcreation <Mapalon> [7/23 @ 22:34] (1/1)

And the Noldor subcreate. <Curious> [7/24 @ 6:46] (0/0)

"Craft" leads to either great humility or great arrogance... <aragonvaar> [7/23 @ 16:32] (0/0)
Aule's legacy <Bythedar> [7/23 @ 15:42] (1/1)

Morgoth v. Sauron <N.E. Brigand> [7/23 @ 16:42] (0/0)

Aulë's folk <Lúthien_Rising> [7/23 @ 13:48] (1/1)

Your answer to D. <squire > [7/23 @ 15:08] (0/0)

necromancer <hills> [7/23 @ 13:11] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: The Balrogs, Demons of Terror <squire > [7/23 @ 11:56] (5/13)

Oh boy, Balrogs! <NZ Strider> [7/24 @ 23:37] (0/0)
A previously unheard theory on Balrog wings <Beren IV> [7/24 @ 2:11] (0/0)
melkor's little minions <hills> [7/23 @ 12:57] (1/2)

i was wrong.... <hills> [7/23 @ 13:00] (1/1)

unfairness & shame <Penthe> [7/23 @ 22:32] (0/0)

Can nothing stop this dark curse? Here are the Balrog pictures! <squire > [7/23 @ 12:18] (3/6)

Balrog images <Penthe> [7/23 @ 22:39] (1/2)

Frightening description! <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/24 @ 1:27] (1/1)

movie with ....naaah <Penthe> [7/25 @ 3:34] (0/0)

In all of those pictures <Fisher> [7/23 @ 14:39] (0/0)
psst... <Lúthien_Rising> [7/23 @ 13:17] (1/1)

The last rocket... <squire > [7/23 @ 13:22] (0/0)

The balrogs all look like <Lúthien_Rising> [7/23 @ 12:11] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Melkor, the Enemy <squire > [7/23 @ 7:35] (6/8)

A few comments <erather> [7/23 @ 16:43] (1/2)

The Chaos to oppose Manwë's Order <Beren IV> [7/24 @ 1:57] (1/1)

OOPS - This was a reply to the main topic, sorry. (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/24 @ 1:59] (0/0)

Milton, thou should'st be living in this hour! <NZ Strider> [7/23 @ 16:00] (0/0)
no milton... <hills> [7/23 @ 12:49] (0/0)
W/o reviewing the Milton, I'd have to say... <aragonvaar> [7/23 @ 11:27] (0/0)
Melkor, Blake and Tolkien <Lúthien_Rising> [7/23 @ 8:53] (0/0)
*runs to look up "inverted clauses"... <an seileachan> [7/23 @ 8:27] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: The Maiar Melian and Olórin <squire > [7/22 @ 17:49] (9/22)

Melian and Olórin both became flesh, <Curious> [7/24 @ 6:28] (0/0)
This gives me a chance to ask about Lorien. <Curious> [7/24 @ 6:19] (0/0)
The Picture Link restored! sorry... <squire > [7/23 @ 7:52] (1/1)

what's up with Govar? <Lúthien_Rising> [7/23 @ 8:43] (0/0)

A quick thought or two... <NZ Strider> [7/23 @ 4:02] (1/2)

How do you feel about Beren IV's theory <erather> [7/23 @ 14:34] (1/1)

I mostly agree -- the only thing <NZ Strider> [7/24 @ 23:22] (0/0)

Bodily versus spiritual acts <Beren IV> [7/23 @ 2:51] (0/0)
When I am an old man, I shall wear grey <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/23 @ 1:35] (1/4)

I'm wearing purple, now, so I'll answer... <an seileachan> [7/23 @ 7:12] (1/3)

um, never mind. I think <an seileachan> [7/23 @ 7:34] (1/2)

no, you were right! <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/23 @ 11:07] (1/1)

As for Radagast and Saruman... <N.E. Brigand> [7/25 @ 16:20] (0/0)

On the wisest of Maia <Lúthien_Rising> [7/22 @ 18:57] (0/0)
Don't you answer... <N.E. Brigand> [7/22 @ 18:55] (1/1)

I don't know <squire > [7/22 @ 19:07] (0/0)

melian/olorin <hills> [7/22 @ 18:29] (4/5)

you're right <hills> [7/22 @ 22:59] (0/0)
Tolkien on marriage <erather> [7/22 @ 19:41] (0/0)
UUT - no evidence Melian ideas <Penthe> [7/22 @ 19:36] (1/1)

a gentle observation ;-) <Ceorl> [7/23 @ 7:00] (0/0)

Marriage. <N.E. Brigand> [7/22 @ 18:45] (0/0)

Grey Eyes <Radgast-the-Happy> [7/22 @ 15:27] (7/15)

I have grey-green eyes <Cressida> [7/26 @ 0:12] (0/0)
I noticed in the movie "Troy"... <Aunt Dora Baggins> [7/24 @ 21:36] (0/0)
somewhat OT: why eyes are gray <an seileachan> [7/24 @ 0:56] (1/2)

And violet eyes? <Curious> [7/24 @ 5:57] (1/1)

answers up to the limit of my knowledge which is not vast... <an seileachan> [7/24 @ 7:51] (0/0)

Grey is Blue <Beren IV> [7/23 @ 2:37] (3/4)

Disagree--Theoden has blue eyes. <Cressida> [7/26 @ 0:12] (0/0)
Not quite. <Curious> [7/24 @ 5:49] (1/1)

That I will grant; <Beren IV> [7/24 @ 16:22] (0/0)

Hey! I have grey eyes, they are really grey, but my daughter has... <Manhilien> [7/23 @ 8:55] (0/0)

Yes , I have grey eyes! (No Text) <Ceorl> [7/22 @ 16:47] (1/2)

Me, too. <Penthe> [7/22 @ 19:30] (1/1)

Same here <MaidenOfTheShieldarm> [7/23 @ 7:24] (0/0)

Genetic identity working. <erather> [7/22 @ 16:34] (0/0)
answering just one question <Lúthien_Rising> [7/22 @ 15:51] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: The Maiar Ossë and Uinen <squire > [7/22 @ 12:03] (8/13)

Looks like I have some 'splainin' to do <Ossë> [7/23 @ 8:53] (1/1)

Hah! Now you tell us! <NZ Strider> [7/23 @ 14:12] (0/0)

Hey, where's our Ossë? <NZ Strider> [7/23 @ 4:11] (1/1)

On Ossë as a "neutral" in the War of the Angels... <NZ Strider> [7/23 @ 4:20] (0/0)

*Ahem* <Kimi> [7/23 @ 3:15] (3/3)

Only because angels aren't attached to the material world... <aragonvaar> [7/23 @ 11:31] (0/0)
Mauron? <Lúthien_Rising> [7/23 @ 8:39] (0/0)
To give everyone a good time <squire > [7/23 @ 8:24] (0/0)

70% of the Earth's surface is water... <Beren IV> [7/23 @ 2:34] (0/0)
Finger pointing? <erather> [7/22 @ 20:35] (0/0)
untangling weeds <Lúthien_Rising> [7/22 @ 18:13] (0/0)
Osse the Uninsured <PhantomS> [7/22 @ 13:56] (0/0)
Osse's boss doesn't exactly keep him on a short leash.... <aragonvaar> [7/22 @ 13:19] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: The Maiar Ilmarë and Eönwë <squire > [7/22 @ 5:23] (3/5)

Big Inconsistancy Here <Beren IV> [7/23 @ 2:25] (0/0)
I am the Mouth of Manwe <drogo_drogo> [7/22 @ 7:39] (0/0)
they called all their servants "Bridget" <an seileachan> [7/22 @ 7:29] (1/2)

Servants and service <Penthe> [7/22 @ 19:24] (1/1)

I think so, yes <an seileachan> [7/22 @ 20:54] (0/0)

Reasons for NOT wanting a Silmarillion movie <Beren IV> [7/22 @ 4:47] (8/27)

Casting suggestions for Turin? <Ceorl> [7/23 @ 5:45] (4/4)

You know, Bana wouldn't be half-bad as Túrin. <NZ Strider> [7/24 @ 23:42] (0/0)
Agreed--Bana would be Brilliant. (No Text) <MaidenOfTheShieldarm> [7/23 @ 20:16] (0/0)
I'd want Bana in a dual role... <aragonvaar> [7/23 @ 11:34] (0/0)
Yes, yes, yes - agree absolutely (No Text) <IsisNewton> [7/23 @ 11:12] (0/0)

I wouldn't mind three movies, <NZ Strider> [7/23 @ 4:50] (2/4)

Yeah, that would be my idea more or less... <aragonvaar> [7/23 @ 10:55] (1/2)

"Can't change the script?" <N.E. Brigand> [7/23 @ 17:21] (1/1)

Well, ideally, a towering colossal genius of the script form whom I haven't heard of yet... <aragonvaar> [7/23 @ 23:50] (0/0)

Along that line, I wouldn't mind SIX movies... <Beren IV> [7/23 @ 4:55] (0/0)

The Sil on celluloid <Ceorl> [7/22 @ 16:57] (1/1)

Downbeat endings. <N.E. Brigand> [7/22 @ 17:57] (0/0)

I'm in favor of the TV miniseries approach, <erather> [7/22 @ 15:37] (2/2)

I did not like the movie rendition of Aragorn <Beren IV> [7/23 @ 2:08] (0/0)
Masterpiece Theatre <Penthe> [7/22 @ 19:15] (0/0)

Are there any good 600-year-long movies? <N.E. Brigand> [7/22 @ 14:38] (2/2)

Mel Brooks' History of the World: Part 1 <erather> [7/23 @ 20:31] (0/0)
4,000 years - and even peices of it... <Beren IV> [7/23 @ 2:03] (0/0)

Disagree <CelebornsMirror> [7/22 @ 11:58] (1/2)

Here, here!! <Dain II Ironfoot> [7/22 @ 17:47] (1/1)

Arwen then says.... <Penthe> [7/22 @ 19:17] (0/0)

I wouldn't want a Sil movie, mostly because of the singing <Morwilwarin> [7/22 @ 9:38] (0/0)
I completely agree <MaidenOfTheShieldarm> [7/22 @ 9:36] (1/4)

Is Turin's story more risque than Oedipus's? (No Text) <N.E. Brigand> [7/22 @ 14:40] (1/3)

Not really, but Oedipus is more...accepted (No Text) <MaidenOfTheShieldarm> [7/22 @ 15:20] (1/2)

simply due to familiarity, though <Lúthien_Rising> [7/22 @ 18:58] (1/1)

Exactly <MaidenOfTheShieldarm> [7/23 @ 7:20] (0/0)

Smith of Wootton Major: A Boy Is Chosen. <Curious> [7/22 @ 0:32] (6/11)

"Smith" and the Counter-Reformation? <N.E. Brigand> [7/23 @ 16:30] (1/1)

Nice! (No Text) <Curious> [7/24 @ 5:42] (0/0)

the boy was a prophet? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/22 @ 12:35] (1/1)

Lovely footer! As for the analogies, <Curious> [7/22 @ 13:22] (0/0)

Thanks and a note on the next SoWM discussion <drogo_drogo> [7/22 @ 7:13] (0/0)
Why not a girl? <Kimi> [7/22 @ 1:10] (0/0)
And a comment on the "setting" and "date" of SoWM: <NZ Strider> [7/22 @ 1:08] (1/3)

Would a smith ever make guns? <Curious> [7/22 @ 13:14] (1/2)

in Robinson Crusoe <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/22 @ 17:21] (1/1)

Fair enough. <Curious> [7/22 @ 18:19] (0/0)

A few quick thoughts... <NZ Strider> [7/22 @ 0:52] (0/0)

Hobbit inspiration <helmsdeep-archer> [7/21 @ 19:53] (2/9)

Elves are strongly Celtic... (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/22 @ 5:04] (0/0)
Hobbit culture is roughly based on 18thC rural English life. <erather> [7/21 @ 19:59] (3/7)

The Shire <Ceorl> [7/22 @ 16:45] (1/4)

The Shire is no utopia! <Curious> [7/22 @ 18:28] (2/3)

Perhaps... <Ceorl> [7/23 @ 3:59] (0/0)
More like a nursery <squire > [7/22 @ 20:51] (1/1)

implications for Britain? <Penthe> [7/23 @ 0:45] (0/0)

More late 19th century, I would say. <Curious> [7/22 @ 14:34] (0/0)
Thomas Hardy . . . <Pukel-man> [7/21 @ 21:33] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: The Valar in The Silmarillion <squire > [7/21 @ 17:47] (6/54)

The Valar are everywhere and nowhere. <Curious> [7/24 @ 5:35] (1/2)

I really like this--- <Lúthien_Rising> [7/24 @ 17:40] (1/1)

The evils become more boring. <Curious> [7/24 @ 23:14] (0/0)

the distancing of Eru <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/22 @ 13:32] (3/24)

Actually... <aragonvaar> [7/23 @ 11:43] (1/4)

"very pious and well-meaning pagans" <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/23 @ 20:49] (1/3)

In this context... <aragonvaar> [7/23 @ 23:52] (1/2)

Ah, "gentiles" -- now I follow you. Thanks. (No Text) <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/23 @ 23:54] (1/1)

Yeah, meant gentiles. Brain fart, sorry :) (No Text) <aragonvaar> [7/24 @ 0:26] (0/0)

Re: Hades: can't agree... <aragonvaar> [7/22 @ 13:47] (1/17)

I loved James Woods' performance <squire > [7/22 @ 14:17] (1/16)

I assume, also, <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 14:36] (1/15)

Tolkien liked Pauline Baynes. (No Text) <Curious> [7/22 @ 16:36] (2/14)

Not sure she'd be right for the Sil. <erather> [7/22 @ 23:19] (1/1)

Howe is great, but doesn't do character <squire > [7/22 @ 23:53] (0/0)

a couple of links from amazon and a ? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/22 @ 17:02] (3/11)

Bilbo's Last Song is lovely. <Curious> [7/22 @ 18:33] (1/1)

Yes, I'm very fond of it. <Kimi> [7/23 @ 2:28] (0/0)

The FGoH drawing is lovely! <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 18:24] (0/0)
Isn't PB a "she?" <N.E. Brigand> [7/22 @ 18:07] (2/7)

lead or peanut butter? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/23 @ 0:38] (1/1)

Pork-bellies. <N.E. Brigand> [7/23 @ 14:03] (0/0)

Wow. And I was just going to work <squire > [7/22 @ 18:15] (3/4)

If you do buy it, <NZ Strider> [7/23 @ 4:41] (1/1)

Thanks, NZ! *ding-dong, toot-toot!!* (No Text) <squire > [7/23 @ 12:30] (0/0)

I've got the <Kimi> [7/23 @ 2:24] (0/0)
Are *you* capable... <N.E. Brigand> [7/22 @ 18:33] (0/0)

delightful, and love your footer (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/22 @ 13:35] (0/0)

The Valar are important <Beren IV> [7/22 @ 5:03] (0/0)
"Any sufficiently intellectual theology forbids polytheism." <Lottelita> [7/21 @ 19:24] (3/20)

*chuckles* Hmmm... Can't resist stirring the pot... <NZ Strider> [7/22 @ 1:20] (4/15)

I love it when you guys talk dirty like this! (No Text) <squire > [7/22 @ 23:41] (0/0)
Was it intellectual rigor, or increasing self-importance <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 13:17] (1/6)

Oooh! I stirred something up! ;-) <NZ Strider> [7/22 @ 22:41] (1/5)

Tatters, shmatters. <Lottelita> [7/23 @ 1:22] (2/4)

BTW, if you're going to half-jokingly accuse NZS of condenscension by implication... <aragonvaar> [7/23 @ 11:54] (1/2)

Touche! <Lottelita> [7/23 @ 15:12] (1/1)

Heh. That's what i like about you :) <aragonvaar> [7/23 @ 16:17] (0/0)

That woudl depend on your definition of "behind", I suppose. <aragonvaar> [7/23 @ 11:50] (0/0)

Could anyone define 'henotheism' please <squire > [7/22 @ 12:13] (2/5)

Just to add, the traditional <NZ Strider> [7/22 @ 22:38] (1/1)

Playing the divine stock market . . . <Pukel-man> [7/22 @ 23:53] (0/0)

Henotheism <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/22 @ 12:27] (2/2)

I had it explained to me as <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 13:39] (0/0)
I like the definition <Annael> [7/22 @ 12:29] (0/0)

and how would you say <Annael> [7/22 @ 11:56] (0/0)

Hey, Lotte, the English keep telling us you .... <Penthe> [7/21 @ 23:39] (1/2)

Irony? <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 13:34] (1/1)

Yeah, it's a Canadian thing. (No Text) <N.E. Brigand> [7/22 @ 14:23] (0/0)

why the Valar are more like angels than gods... <an seileachan> [7/21 @ 20:42] (0/0)

F: Perfect gods <Pukel-man> [7/21 @ 18:19] (1/2)

But they are everywhere in LotR, <Curious> [7/21 @ 19:55] (1/1)

Yes, the work resonates with them. <Penthe> [7/21 @ 23:36] (0/0)

Obviously the Valar <Varda Elentari> [7/21 @ 18:04] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: The Valar and other Pantheons <squire > [7/21 @ 12:04] (10/39)

If Tolkien were to draw the Valar, <Curious> [7/24 @ 5:06] (1/3)

I would say otherwise <squire > [7/24 @ 7:51] (2/2)

I have no expertise <Curious> [7/24 @ 22:57] (0/0)
lived pantheons vs. recorded pantheons <Lúthien_Rising> [7/24 @ 17:35] (0/0)

The Sumero -Babylonian Pantheon <Silent _ Watcher> [7/23 @ 12:50] (0/0)
Struck by similarities to Hindu Pantheon <hartk> [7/22 @ 16:49] (1/1)

I'm afraid I don't especially see a resemblance... <aragonvaar> [7/24 @ 0:14] (0/0)

Pantheons of, well, Valar <Beren IV> [7/22 @ 4:22] (0/0)
Modesty forbids <Kimi> [7/22 @ 2:19] (1/1)

Lewis pretty much does what you describe in his "Space Trilogy"... <aragonvaar> [7/22 @ 10:22] (0/0)

They're too nice. <Lottelita> [7/21 @ 17:25] (1/1)

Puke and I discussed <Varda Elentari> [7/21 @ 17:31] (0/0)

Literary creation <erather> [7/21 @ 17:07] (1/1)

It's a fair question. <Lottelita> [7/21 @ 17:31] (0/0)

The Valar correspond to a "mature" pantheon... <aragonvaar> [7/21 @ 16:26] (2/12)

Hmmm... Perhaps, rather, a "mature" pantheon <NZ Strider> [7/22 @ 4:26] (1/4)

Yes, it seems <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 13:42] (1/3)

My point was that.... <aragonvaar> [7/22 @ 14:35] (2/2)

I didn't read the entire BoLT <squire > [7/22 @ 15:00] (0/0)
*bows* <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 14:37] (0/0)

OT-ish - Terrific casting choices <Penthe> [7/21 @ 23:28] (1/6)

OT...well... <aragonvaar> [7/22 @ 10:17] (1/5)

You may already... <N.E. Brigand> [7/22 @ 18:20] (3/4)

My parents Tell me Dorn was in... <aragonvaar> [7/24 @ 0:15] (0/0)
Hard to improve on the young Redford, <erather> [7/22 @ 21:36] (0/0)
Hugh Jackman <Penthe> [7/22 @ 19:06] (1/1)

my pleasure :) (No Text) <aragonvaar> [7/24 @ 0:16] (0/0)

Hasty and probably ill-informed answers <Timerider> [7/21 @ 12:56] (0/0)
The Valar are a first-generation pantheon. <Pukel-man> [7/21 @ 12:15] (3/10)

I think that Tolkien (with a certain amount of cheeky humour) <NZ Strider> [7/22 @ 4:17] (1/7)

But without getting too microscopic . . . <Pukel-man> [7/22 @ 6:19] (3/6)

And less than his inability <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 13:32] (1/3)

Debatable... <aragonvaar> [7/22 @ 13:42] (1/2)

If you would argue, <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 13:45] (1/1)

Primarily because they're not "good angels"... <aragonvaar> [7/22 @ 13:55] (0/0)

That is pretty much what Chesterton proposes in "Everlasting Man" actually... <aragonvaar> [7/22 @ 10:08] (0/0)
Well-parried! (No Text) <NZ Strider> [7/22 @ 7:36] (0/0)

The Classical pantheon is wilder and woolier <drogo_drogo> [7/21 @ 17:04] (0/0)
In addition to the lack of history <Varda Elentari> [7/21 @ 12:38] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Why a Pantheon? <squire > [7/21 @ 5:26] (6/23)

Paradoxes of Tolkien's religios beliefs <Beren IV> [7/22 @ 4:10] (0/0)
general musings on gods . . . <Annael> [7/21 @ 21:09] (0/0)
Ask not, "Why Polytheism?" <Lottelita> [7/21 @ 17:19] (1/14)

the idea of God <93143> [7/21 @ 18:33] (2/13)

Tolkien read Chesterton, <Curious> [7/23 @ 17:55] (0/0)
"The Everlasting Man" <Lottelita> [7/21 @ 18:59] (2/11)

an intermediary <93143> [7/22 @ 19:39] (1/5)

Well, here we get into the difference between doctrine and text. <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 21:31] (2/4)

stretching the forum subject <93143> [7/23 @ 15:02] (1/2)

on the other hand <93143> [7/23 @ 15:12] (1/1)

I think we've strayed <Lottelita> [7/23 @ 19:15] (0/0)

And <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 21:33] (0/0)

Perhaps, but what he describes is a commonsensical and intuitively plausible hypothesis... <aragonvaar> [7/22 @ 13:33] (1/4)

Indeed. <Lottelita> [7/22 @ 13:38] (1/3)

Yeah, we can't know what social changes or experiments such cultures have made over the years.... <aragonvaar> [7/22 @ 13:58] (1/2)

Please <Curious> [7/23 @ 17:25] (1/1)

Sorry about that :/ (No Text) <aragonvaar> [7/24 @ 0:29] (0/0)

Eru's management style, cont'd <erather> [7/21 @ 15:11] (0/0)
A world run by committee... <aragonvaar> [7/21 @ 10:40] (0/0)
Early a.m. ramblings about religion <drogo_drogo> [7/21 @ 7:37] (2/3)

I take a mundane view of religion. <Pukel-man> [7/21 @ 12:03] (1/1)

They are middle management <drogo_drogo> [7/21 @ 16:38] (0/0)

Wow! <eowynthegreat> [7/21 @ 11:07] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Oromë, God of the Hunt <squire > [7/20 @ 23:43] (6/8)

Was Orome present in Theoden <Curious> [7/23 @ 16:07] (0/0)
(Posted before reading Penthe below ...) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/21 @ 11:21] (0/0)
Some quick thoughts... <NZ Strider> [7/21 @ 6:57] (0/0)
Hunting Elves <Beren IV> [7/21 @ 3:19] (0/0)
Orome was the son of <Kimi> [7/21 @ 0:33] (0/0)
complementary couples in creation <Penthe> [7/21 @ 0:09] (2/2)

Regarding being overwhelmed by sight and sound, <Ataahua> [7/21 @ 4:13] (0/0)
I love your answer to C! <Kimi> [7/21 @ 0:34] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Tulkas, God of Strength <squire > [7/20 @ 17:54] (9/16)

Tulkas is increasingly irrelevant <Curious> [7/23 @ 15:44] (1/2)

Very nice point, Curious! <squire > [7/23 @ 16:09] (1/1)

I wonder indeed. <Curious> [7/23 @ 17:13] (0/0)

The Incredible Tulk <Modtheow> [7/21 @ 11:19] (1/1)

Thanks for that. <Pukel-man> [7/21 @ 12:24] (0/0)

The jolliest war-god.... <aragonvaar> [7/21 @ 10:01] (1/1)

Forgot to add...(w/ a question) <aragonvaar> [7/21 @ 10:44] (0/0)

(mmm ... brad pitt ...) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/21 @ 9:01] (1/1)

Costumes that you, as his agent, <Lottelita> [7/21 @ 19:16] (0/0)

Quick thoughts... <NZ Strider> [7/21 @ 7:42] (0/0)
Whistles at the work in progress <Beren IV> [7/21 @ 3:06] (0/0)
*Is shocked* <Kimi> [7/21 @ 0:03] (0/0)
When do we get to the laughing part? <erather> [7/20 @ 19:51] (1/2)

Don't be shy, erather <squire > [7/22 @ 13:10] (1/1)

Sad that the most vivid description <erather> [7/22 @ 14:00] (0/0)

Tulkas as the god of physicality <drogo_drogo> [7/20 @ 19:38] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Nienna, Goddess of Sorrow <squire > [7/20 @ 17:53] (7/10)

Sad songs, they say so much. <Curious> [7/23 @ 15:17] (0/0)
The Bachelor/Bachelorette Valar of "challenge" <aragonvaar> [7/21 @ 9:46] (0/0)
what erather said <Lúthien_Rising> [7/21 @ 8:46] (0/0)
Gloom and Doom, indeed! <Beren IV> [7/21 @ 2:51] (1/1)

Sure, Vairë's the best of the three <squire > [7/22 @ 13:17] (0/0)

Nienna thoughts <Kimi> [7/20 @ 23:31] (0/0)
Weep and you weep alone. <erather> [7/20 @ 22:33] (0/0)
sorrow and wisdom <lucia> [7/20 @ 20:22] (1/2)

turns sorrow to wisdom <FantasyFan> [7/20 @ 21:31] (1/1)

That poem chokes me up everytime (No Text) <Ransom> [7/21 @ 14:06] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Irmo of the Fëanturi, God of Dreams <squire > [7/20 @ 12:04] (7/10)

Sleep and Death <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/21 @ 17:10] (0/0)
wanderings through thoughts of Lorien <Lúthien_Rising> [7/21 @ 8:34] (0/0)
Complex ideas <Beren IV> [7/21 @ 2:41] (0/0)
Irmo the younger <Kimi> [7/20 @ 22:53] (1/1)

young Ainur <Lúthien_Rising> [7/21 @ 8:37] (0/0)

Death and dreams <erather> [7/20 @ 22:22] (0/0)
Tolkien's visions <bigidiot> [7/20 @ 16:11] (0/0)
Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream... <aragonvaar> [7/20 @ 13:37] (1/2)

The Dreamtime <Estelwyn> [7/21 @ 3:15] (1/1)

I've seen some conflicting mentions of the Dreamtime... <aragonvaar> [7/21 @ 9:38] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Námo of the Fëanturi, God of Death <squire > [7/20 @ 12:03] (8/11)

I've always liked Mandos. <Curious> [7/23 @ 8:41] (1/2)

Zen retreat? <squire > [7/23 @ 9:10] (1/1)

I disagree. <Curious> [7/23 @ 10:22] (0/0)

Vairë - Goddess of Time <Beren IV> [7/21 @ 2:28] (0/0)
Why isn't Vaire in the Sil? <Pukel-man> [7/20 @ 21:30] (1/1)

I suppose it's because <NZ Strider> [7/21 @ 7:03] (0/0)

I love these two ... <Lúthien_Rising> [7/20 @ 14:15] (0/0)
Quick answers <drogo_drogo> [7/20 @ 14:09] (0/0)
Mandos' Dooms <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/20 @ 13:50] (0/0)
Mr. Nice Guy. <aragonvaar> [7/20 @ 13:26] (0/0)
Namo, Eru, and Manwe <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/20 @ 13:02] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Yavanna, Goddess of Plants <squire > [7/20 @ 12:01] (9/19)

Middle-earth is short of animals. <Curious> [7/23 @ 8:33] (1/1)

I had the same perception <squire > [7/23 @ 12:07] (0/0)

Animals get Oromë! <Beren IV> [7/21 @ 2:15] (1/1)

well, there you go <Lúthien_Rising> [7/21 @ 8:25] (0/0)

I really like ringers reprise's <Kimi> [7/20 @ 21:48] (0/0)
Trees & Plants <Penthe> [7/20 @ 19:45] (0/0)
govar and janin's paintings <bigidiot> [7/20 @ 16:07] (0/0)
I think that I shall never see a Vala as lovely as a.... <drogo_drogo> [7/20 @ 14:23] (0/0)
*insert clever subject line here* <Lúthien_Rising> [7/20 @ 14:02] (2/4)

No and yes <Beren IV> [7/21 @ 2:07] (0/0)
Ouch! <Lottelita> [7/20 @ 18:08] (1/2)

is it really? <Lúthien_Rising> [7/20 @ 20:35] (1/1)

Ahhhh ... <Lottelita> [7/21 @ 17:42] (0/0)

Here comes "little" Miss Tree-hugger... <aragonvaar> [7/20 @ 13:09] (1/2)

She can be a bit of a snit... <hartk> [7/20 @ 15:25] (1/1)

shhhhhh, don't spoil it! (No Text) <Penthe> [7/20 @ 21:31] (0/0)

re C: <Annael> [7/20 @ 12:17] (2/2)

350,000 species! <Beren IV> [7/21 @ 2:03] (0/0)
Maybe the beetle Vala was one of the tone-deaf ones. (No Text) <erather> [7/20 @ 21:21] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Aulë, God of the Earth and of Crafts <squire > [7/20 @ 5:25] (9/12)

Perhaps Aulë retreated to Valinor because <Curious> [7/23 @ 8:22] (0/0)
A quick thought or two... <NZ Strider> [7/21 @ 7:18] (0/0)
Dreams of Envy <Beren IV> [7/21 @ 1:58] (0/0)
Oh, and about his trousers: <Kimi> [7/20 @ 20:58] (0/0)
"tillage too and husbandry was his delight <Kimi> [7/20 @ 20:57] (0/0)
Passion and well-fitting trousers. <Penthe> [7/20 @ 19:36] (0/0)
God of the Pre-Raphaelites <erather> [7/20 @ 19:28] (2/2)

Speaking AS a scientist <Beren IV> [7/21 @ 1:50] (0/0)
Scientists vs artists <linkinparkelf> [7/21 @ 0:17] (0/0)

if these paintings <bigidiot> [7/20 @ 16:05] (0/0)
Oooh -- an RR pants thread! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/20 @ 11:06] (1/1)

LOL... <aragonvaar> [7/20 @ 11:33] (0/0)

about the archived index <hatster> [7/20 @ 1:47] (3/3)

Thank you for this, hatster. <erather> [7/20 @ 19:11] (0/0)
Thanks once again, hatster <notlost> [7/20 @ 12:21] (0/0)
ooops ...linky for those who don't have it -----> (No Text - Link Inside) <hatster> [7/20 @ 1:48] (0/0)

Can the Ainur fly? <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/19 @ 23:03] (2/3)

When in bodies, they cannot fly <drogo_drogo> [7/20 @ 7:35] (0/0)
id like to believe... <hills> [7/19 @ 23:57] (1/1)

That still doesn't explain Sauron's return to Middle-earth (No Text) <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/20 @ 2:18] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Ulmo, God of the Waters <squire > [7/19 @ 22:48] (14/19)

I'm falling behind! <Curious> [7/23 @ 1:05] (0/0)
Communing with Ulmo <Modtheow> [7/21 @ 10:07] (0/0)
Like NZS, Ulmo is my favorite Vala <Entmaiden> [7/20 @ 23:38] (0/0)
About that dripping tap: <Kimi> [7/20 @ 20:43] (1/2)

psst, Kimi <lucia> [7/20 @ 21:22] (1/1)

I know! I miss it! <Kimi> [7/20 @ 21:51] (0/0)

Water and Chaos. <Lottelita> [7/20 @ 18:03] (0/0)
"The secret voice that gainsayeth..." <aragonvaar> [7/20 @ 11:24] (0/0)
*running* out of ideas here ... <Lúthien_Rising> [7/20 @ 10:47] (0/0)
one of my favorites too <Menelwyn> [7/20 @ 9:54] (0/0)
oh, the water <an seileachan> [7/20 @ 9:17] (0/0)
Water, water everywhere and not a Vala to drink <drogo_drogo> [7/20 @ 7:16] (0/0)
Tickle me Ulmo <Beren IV> [7/20 @ 4:43] (0/0)
Ulmo is my favourite Vala <NZ Strider> [7/20 @ 4:31] (2/2)

There is no way <Kimi> [7/20 @ 20:33] (0/0)
My secret theory is.... <Ascarwen> [7/20 @ 17:11] (0/0)

well... <hills> [7/19 @ 23:48] (0/0)
Some folks just hate working through committees. <erather> [7/19 @ 23:29] (1/1)

Ulmo & Manwe <Penthe> [7/20 @ 0:19] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Manwë and Varda Enthroned <squire > [7/19 @ 18:08] (8/16)

A far cry from Zeus and Hera, no? <Curious> [7/22 @ 18:52] (0/0)
*Sneaking in cautiously* <Kimi> [7/20 @ 19:41] (0/0)
reverance <lucia> [7/20 @ 15:35] (0/0)
aren't they a sweet couple? <Lúthien_Rising> [7/20 @ 10:34] (0/0)
Because Varda is the greater one :) <Beren IV> [7/20 @ 4:28] (0/0)
Varda and the Elves <Estelwyn> [7/19 @ 23:23] (0/0)
The Dynamic Duo <erather> [7/19 @ 21:34] (3/7)

I can't let this set of misconceptions pass unchallenged. <aragonvaar> [7/20 @ 11:07] (2/4)

yes, some of the symbolism... <an seileachan> [7/20 @ 20:47] (0/0)
I'm not an expert on anyone's theology, <erather> [7/20 @ 13:36] (1/2)

I'm not saying the psychology isn't sound.... <aragonvaar> [7/20 @ 13:41] (1/1)

That's a very plausible theory. (No Text) <erather> [7/20 @ 13:48] (0/0)

that's just what I thought, <ringers reprise> [7/20 @ 9:11] (0/0)
Pray to the one <Merryk> [7/19 @ 23:22] (0/0)

me first!!! I know the other Valar... <an seileachan> [7/19 @ 18:40] (1/1)

hey, I was right! (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/19 @ 23:30] (0/0)

Palantir follow-up: Was I barking up the wrong tree? <Cressida> [7/19 @ 13:19] (1/5)

Some thoughts. <N.E. Brigand> [7/19 @ 19:08] (1/4)

Denethor may have seen Frodo on his own. <erather> [7/19 @ 22:29] (2/3)

Ah, but had Sauron shown... <N.E. Brigand> [7/20 @ 13:53] (0/0)
Denethor knows nothing of Frodo <Beren IV> [7/20 @ 4:19] (1/1)

I was specifically referring to the point in time <erather> [7/20 @ 13:42] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Varda, Goddess of the Stars <squire > [7/19 @ 12:25] (14/17)

A new trinity <lucia> [7/20 @ 15:12] (0/0)
LotR? What about Unfinished Tales? <Curious> [7/20 @ 6:34] (0/0)
Valar lust and the Book of Lost Tales <Beren IV> [7/20 @ 4:15] (0/0)
May I just say... <Chip of Dale> [7/20 @ 1:19] (0/0)
Funny face <nerdanel_50> [7/20 @ 1:08] (0/0)
some works of art <linkinparkelf> [7/19 @ 23:53] (0/0)
The archetypal woman of power <Lúthien_Rising> [7/19 @ 23:27] (1/2)

You've got quite a wit for comments :) (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/20 @ 3:58] (1/1)

compliments from the name-spouse, eh? <Lúthien_Rising> [7/20 @ 10:23] (0/0)

Varda's gowns <Estelwyn> [7/19 @ 23:05] (0/0)
Hail, Varda, full of grace! <erather> [7/19 @ 21:19] (1/1)

My first thought <eowynthegreat> [7/20 @ 10:02] (0/0)

Gowns by.... <Penthe> [7/19 @ 20:44] (0/0)
Short answers <Galadriel1a> [7/19 @ 18:41] (0/0)
Well, Ezpeleta's looks like Ziggy Stardust <drogo_drogo> [7/19 @ 18:39] (0/0)
D - images <Elf_Maven> [7/19 @ 17:46] (0/0)
I can't help but cite one of my own fanworks here... <aragonvaar> [7/19 @ 16:32] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Manwë, God of the Sky and Lord of the Valar <squire > [7/19 @ 12:24] (12/23)

Manwë is to Melkor as Gandalf is to Saruman. <Curious> [7/21 @ 17:01] (0/0)
The Nasmith is best. <N.E. Brigand> [7/20 @ 16:29] (0/0)
Manwë and Illuvitar <Beren IV> [7/20 @ 3:42] (1/5)

Varda may be greater than Manwe, as <Curious> [7/20 @ 6:24] (1/4)

"natural" male supremacy <lucia> [7/20 @ 14:37] (2/3)

Also in Letter 244 Tolkien said <Curious> [7/20 @ 17:50] (1/1)

Mistaken Numenorean succession? <N.E. Brigand> [7/21 @ 19:29] (0/0)

There are some hints in letter #43 <squire > [7/20 @ 14:53] (0/0)

Yet more Zoroastrianism <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/20 @ 1:50] (0/0)
M & J smackdown. <lucia> [7/19 @ 23:21] (1/2)

*raises hand: manwe and jesus the same? <an seileachan> [7/20 @ 20:14] (1/1)

not Tolkien <lucia> [7/20 @ 21:19] (0/0)

it's too late at night for this, <Lúthien_Rising> [7/19 @ 23:06] (0/0)
First among equals? <erather> [7/19 @ 20:55] (1/1)

"Benevolent Anarchy" -- love it! (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/19 @ 23:09] (0/0)

Representing the Divine <Penthe> [7/19 @ 20:41] (0/0)
reduced to art, and the contest <an seileachan> [7/19 @ 19:54] (1/3)

Manwe vs. Jesus <Chip of Dale> [7/20 @ 1:15] (1/2)

shall we take this to the Arena? <an seileachan> [7/20 @ 7:30] (1/1)

"Layeth the smacketh down" <Chip of Dale> [7/20 @ 11:53] (0/0)

A few hasty answers <drogo_drogo> [7/19 @ 16:30] (0/0)
Well, let's see... <aragonvaar> [7/19 @ 16:24] (0/0)
Duality <Timerider> [7/19 @ 13:07] (0/0)

Smith of Wootton Major: We're not in Middle-earth. <Curious> [7/19 @ 9:11] (6/8)

Oy. Comparing apples and watermelons, aren't we? :D <aragonvaar> [7/20 @ 11:41] (0/0)
I'll take the easy question. <Merryk> [7/19 @ 23:01] (0/0)
popular appeal? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/19 @ 20:41] (0/0)
Fairy Tales in different times <Penthe> [7/19 @ 20:33] (0/0)
Tolkien has a hard time writing didactic tales <drogo_drogo> [7/19 @ 16:44] (1/2)

Ah, but Tolkien said that LotR is didactic! <Curious> [7/19 @ 17:32] (1/1)

The lack of a realistic world in Leaf and Smith <drogo_drogo> [7/19 @ 18:21] (0/0)

This just isn't fair. <White Gull> [7/19 @ 15:52] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Of The Valar <squire > [7/19 @ 5:29] (14/26)

Gods . . . . <Annael> [7/20 @ 10:31] (0/0)
Some quick thoughts... <NZ Strider> [7/20 @ 4:54] (1/3)

Gods in Neoplatonism <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/20 @ 12:47] (2/2)

I'm sure Tolkien would deny <Curious> [7/21 @ 17:33] (0/0)
What a cool link! (No Text) <Curious> [7/20 @ 21:01] (0/0)

What is a god, anyway? <Beren IV> [7/20 @ 3:28] (0/0)
My two pennies <linkinparkelf> [7/19 @ 23:29] (0/0)
the mystery of the eighth goddess <lucia> [7/19 @ 23:01] (1/1)

9 and 7 <Beren IV> [7/20 @ 3:19] (0/0)

Elves' story of creation <Penthe> [7/19 @ 20:25] (0/0)
Meet the Pantheon. <erather> [7/19 @ 20:24] (0/0)
Valar and Zoroastrian Religion <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/19 @ 17:23] (1/3)

Interesting I never thought of the connection <Galadriel1a> [7/19 @ 18:45] (1/2)

Christianity contains elements of <Beren IV> [7/20 @ 5:09] (1/1)

Mithras too <Annael> [7/20 @ 11:16] (0/0)

Proffered deity <Timerider> [7/19 @ 12:44] (1/1)

'Voldemort' does not really mean 'Dark Lord' <squire > [7/22 @ 13:03] (0/0)

the gods or whatevers <Menelwyn> [7/19 @ 10:35] (1/1)

Thanks for the reference to demiurges! <Curious> [7/20 @ 6:07] (0/0)

Lost in translation <Ivy Sandybanks> [7/19 @ 10:18] (0/0)
At least their names are short and differentiable... <Lúthien_Rising> [7/19 @ 8:29] (0/0)
Feanor Potter and the Order of the Valar <drogo_drogo> [7/19 @ 7:26] (1/3)

Irmo, that's a rotten pun! ;) (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/20 @ 3:15] (1/2)

Varda you expect? (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/20 @ 11:13] (1/1)

Manwe getting off topic! (No Text) <Annael> [7/20 @ 11:18] (0/0)

Their names are manifold <an seileachan> [7/19 @ 7:09] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Introduction <squire > [7/19 @ 5:26] (5/11)

The regions of Eä are vast but lifeless, <Curious> [7/21 @ 14:21] (1/2)

Tolkien actually covered himself on that as well <squire > [7/21 @ 15:29] (1/1)

Other Solar Systems in Ea <Alveric> [7/22 @ 5:02] (0/0)

role changes <lucia> [7/19 @ 22:36] (1/1)

yes, the change is rather subtle <squire > [7/21 @ 11:21] (0/0)

Whistle while you work <erather> [7/19 @ 20:11] (0/0)
deliberate or a series of unfortunate events? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/19 @ 19:00] (0/0)
early-morning thoughts on the early morning of the world <Lúthien_Rising> [7/19 @ 8:16] (2/3)

Hey-Don't diss the platypus :D <aragonvaar> [7/19 @ 15:29] (0/0)
Humming <Ivy Sandybanks> [7/19 @ 9:55] (1/1)

Listening & memory <Penthe> [7/19 @ 20:13] (0/0)

The Valaquenta: Welcome! <squire > [7/19 @ 5:23] (4/5)

Yields palm. Bows low. (No Text) <NZ Strider> [7/20 @ 4:33] (0/0)
What an exhaustive discussion! <Beren IV> [7/20 @ 3:08] (0/0)
squire, you're simply amazing. <erather> [7/19 @ 20:12] (1/1)

*stunned rabbit in the headlights* <Penthe> [7/19 @ 21:25] (0/0)

I think that someone should consider publication. (No Text) <Elf_Maven> [7/19 @ 17:32] (0/0)

Elf language problems... <Beren IV> [7/19 @ 1:22] (3/3)

? <cubbyphan> [7/21 @ 23:48] (0/0)
Two more answers <Arwen's daughter> [7/19 @ 12:20] (0/0)
A few answers. <Ataahua> [7/19 @ 1:53] (0/0)

2650 g of a little news <Rosie66> [7/18 @ 12:37] (7/8)

Welcome to the club! <Dame Ioreth > [7/20 @ 20:59] (1/1)

Oh, congratulations! <Kimi> [7/20 @ 21:03] (0/0)

Helpful hint: <Arquen> [7/19 @ 19:14] (0/0)
Congratulations to you all. <Penthe> [7/18 @ 21:29] (0/0)
And what good news it is! <Kimi> [7/18 @ 21:02] (0/0)
congrats from a RR newcomer... <an seileachan> [7/18 @ 20:47] (0/0)
Congratulations, Rosie66 and Isabella! <nerdanel_50> [7/18 @ 17:27] (0/0)
Congratulations! Glad to hear mom and baby are doing well <Entmaiden> [7/18 @ 13:54] (0/0)

Dragons: Someone list them! <Glomund's Secret> [7/18 @ 1:07] (3/7)

A little more on Dragons <Alveric> [7/19 @ 6:34] (0/0)
That's all the named Dragons, I think... <Beren IV> [7/18 @ 5:55] (0/0)
Scatha: (No Text - Link Inside) <Curious> [7/18 @ 1:25] (1/4)

Chrysophylax Dives. (No Text) <NZ Strider> [7/18 @ 5:50] (1/3)

But he's from Farmer Giles! (No Text) <Glomund's Secret> [7/18 @ 10:31] (1/2)

I suppose I didn't specify LOTR ;-) (No Text) <Glomund's Secret> [7/18 @ 10:32] (1/1)

Don't forget about Puff and Daryl. (No Text) <Azree> [7/18 @ 14:52] (0/0)

Are Ringwraiths afraid of fire? <arwëon> [7/17 @ 7:38] (3/22)

their horses certainly would <Annael> [7/20 @ 11:29] (1/3)

Yes, but they weren't on their horses during Weathertop. (No Text) <arwëon> [7/20 @ 13:02] (1/2)

oops, I read the whole thread before replying <Annael> [7/20 @ 13:39] (1/1)

Oh, that's ok:) (No Text) <arwëon> [7/20 @ 18:45] (0/0)

Don't take Jude Fisher too seriously. <erather> [7/17 @ 15:25] (3/3)

Actually <fak> [7/20 @ 8:35] (0/0)
*groan* <arwëon> [7/18 @ 17:46] (0/0)
heh, she should have used us all as editors, eh? (No Text) <hatster> [7/18 @ 6:50] (0/0)

Aragorn said so at Weathertop: <Curious> [7/17 @ 10:54] (7/13)

Tolkien's Ringwraiths are ghosts. <Curious> [7/18 @ 18:07] (1/2)

Ghost like, perhaps <squire > [7/18 @ 19:04] (1/1)

astonishing footer, squire! (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/18 @ 19:27] (0/0)

And just to add... <NZ Strider> [7/18 @ 7:04] (0/0)
My take on Nazgul FOTR vs Nazgul ROTK and the fire thing <hatster> [7/18 @ 6:50] (1/1)

Makes sense to me especially No 4 (No Text) <stanne> [7/18 @ 14:11] (0/0)

Why would the Ringwraiths not be afraid of fire? (No Text) <Linguilindale> [7/18 @ 0:35] (2/2)

seems like they just hate human comforts <Glomund's Secret> [7/18 @ 11:25] (0/0)
Perhaps because they're undead, "spirits" already, and <Azree> [7/18 @ 0:56] (0/0)

I always thought... <Nimrodel > [7/18 @ 0:33] (1/1)

Concerning the water, <Lycus> [7/18 @ 6:58] (0/0)

Maybe... <Ceorl> [7/17 @ 21:09] (0/0)
For the light, perhaps? <N.E. Brigand> [7/17 @ 18:56] (0/0)

Smith of Wootton Major: The Fay-star. <Curious> [7/17 @ 5:39] (5/8)

Elbereth <Goldilocks Took> [7/19 @ 0:41] (0/0)
The fay star and the Ring <Ransom> [7/18 @ 11:41] (0/0)
While I hope Nokes washed the star <Kimi> [7/17 @ 20:11] (1/1)

Ewwww... dirty fingernails on a cook? <erather> [7/17 @ 23:42] (0/0)

Of scoffing, and a semi-OT question <erather> [7/17 @ 15:19] (1/2)

Look in the LotR index under Star, <Curious> [7/18 @ 0:12] (1/1)

Thanks! (No Text) <erather> [7/18 @ 15:42] (0/0)

"Fay" also connotes faith <drogo_drogo> [7/17 @ 7:48] (0/0)

I cant remember <Hobbit and a half> [7/16 @ 20:43] (1/1)

Gandalf told him, <erather> [7/16 @ 21:01] (0/0)

Ainulindale: Open Forum- (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/16 @ 11:47] (5/18)

More thoughts on the free will of the Ainur/Heaven <Ivy Sandybanks> [7/17 @ 9:09] (0/0)
The Valar? Be they the Gods? <Beren IV> [7/17 @ 2:31] (3/3)

Gods in LotR <Beren IV> [7/18 @ 5:14] (0/0)
Well, yes and no <drogo_drogo> [7/17 @ 7:57] (0/0)
I think Tolkien was more comfortable <Curious> [7/17 @ 5:52] (0/0)

Tolkien and the Sea <Estelwyn> [7/17 @ 0:54] (2/6)

Recurring dream <IsisNewton> [7/17 @ 7:02] (1/3)

here's the text from letter 163 <hatster> [7/17 @ 8:33] (1/2)

Thanks! I always wondered <Estelwyn> [7/17 @ 9:13] (1/1)

I suppose that his attitude toward the sea <hatster> [7/17 @ 10:37] (0/0)

That is a beautiful passage <linkinparkelf> [7/17 @ 2:14] (1/1)

*smiles* <Estelwyn> [7/17 @ 6:11] (0/0)

RR Newbie Question <Ivy Sandybanks> [7/16 @ 18:42] (1/1)

That's exactly the idea <Menelwyn> [7/16 @ 18:57] (0/0)

Questions about different versions of the Ainulindale <erather> [7/16 @ 15:40] (2/3)

Version of the Ainulindale <Alveric> [7/19 @ 6:55] (0/0)
It goes all the way back <squire > [7/16 @ 16:15] (1/1)

Love your footer, and looking forward to next week! (No Text) <erather> [7/16 @ 16:19] (0/0)

Ainulindale Summary (If Possible!) <CelebornsMirror> [7/16 @ 11:47] (23/24)

Thanks -- still reading <Modtheow> [7/20 @ 22:31] (0/0)
Thanks very much! <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/19 @ 18:32] (1/1)

Ooh, you're back! :-) (No Text) <Estelwyn> [7/19 @ 22:17] (0/0)

I was away and missed the missed it ,but than you any way. (No Text) <Galadriel1a> [7/19 @ 14:11] (0/0)
Thanks, CM. Magnificient start (No Text) <Entmaiden> [7/18 @ 22:16] (0/0)
Thank you for the great discusssion. (No Text) <Silent _ Watcher> [7/18 @ 9:25] (0/0)
Thanks Celeborns Mirror & everyone. (No Text) <Penthe> [7/18 @ 5:49] (0/0)
Thanks, CM, for an exciting opening week! (No Text) <Bythedar> [7/17 @ 18:10] (0/0)
thanks! i've been looking forward to this for a long time! (No Text) <Linguilindale> [7/17 @ 17:07] (0/0)
Excellent work! Thank you! (No Text) <Menelwyn> [7/17 @ 16:07] (0/0)
Magnificent discussion! <nerdanel_50> [7/17 @ 12:16] (0/0)
thanks from an inquisitive first-timer <an seileachan> [7/17 @ 9:59] (0/0)
Thank you for a very good discussion <drogo_drogo> [7/17 @ 7:35] (0/0)
Thanks, CM! An interesting week. (No Text) <NZ Strider> [7/17 @ 3:33] (0/0)
Thanks so much, CM! <Kimi> [7/17 @ 2:53] (0/0)
I still think that <Beren IV> [7/17 @ 2:25] (0/0)
Thanks, CelebornsMirror, it's been illuminating. <linkinparkelf> [7/17 @ 1:00] (0/0)
Thankee-sai! <Orald> [7/16 @ 23:32] (0/0)
Thanks for a great job on a difficult chapter! (No Text) <erather> [7/16 @ 22:43] (0/0)
Thanks sooo much, ... and a useful (?) link <Estelwyn> [7/16 @ 21:52] (0/0)
great job CelebornsMirror <Goldilocks Took> [7/16 @ 20:42] (0/0)
What an awesome start! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/16 @ 16:57] (0/0)
great discussions! (No Text) <lucia> [7/16 @ 15:36] (0/0)
Thank you! I've learned a great deal <Curious> [7/16 @ 15:08] (0/0)

Ainulindale #9 Party Prep Hosted by the Valar <CelebornsMirror> [7/16 @ 11:35] (6/12)

I didn't think it was in their nature. <ringers reprise> [7/18 @ 10:52] (0/0)
They need Tulkas. (No Text) <Curious> [7/17 @ 5:45] (0/0)
The Chaos to oppose Illuvitar's Order <Beren IV> [7/17 @ 2:24] (0/0)
"...in despite of Melkor..." a grammatical qn <Estelwyn> [7/16 @ 21:13] (2/3)

you generally won't <squire > [7/16 @ 23:25] (1/1)

oh, it certainly wasn't <Estelwyn> [7/16 @ 23:56] (0/0)

I believe... <Silverlode> [7/16 @ 23:09] (0/0)

Discordant visions <erather> [7/16 @ 15:32] (1/3)

Sure sounds like fighting to me <Estelwyn> [7/16 @ 21:23] (1/2)

It is certainly a battle for control. <erather> [7/16 @ 22:05] (1/1)

Yes, good point :-) (No Text) <Estelwyn> [7/16 @ 23:24] (0/0)

some answers <Dain II Ironfoot> [7/16 @ 14:21] (0/0)

Sorry if this is redundent--question about the "Unpublished Epilogues".. <FrodoloveIs> [7/16 @ 1:37] (3/5)

Yes, that Tolkien's work <Alveric> [7/16 @ 10:59] (1/1)

I have seen some of these segments also <FrodoloveIs> [7/16 @ 11:46] (0/0)

Be comforted. <Kimi> [7/16 @ 2:29] (1/1)

:) treasures... <FrodoloveIs> [7/16 @ 11:52] (0/0)

Tolkien isn't the only author out there... <Beren IV> [7/16 @ 1:59] (0/0)